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I agree with those anecdotes and they tally with my own experience... but I've also heard of these occasional whoopsies where a driver in a 158 forgets he has a Pacer on the back. A guard who was in one of these Pacers (on ECS) described it as rather lively!

If it was an ECS from Canton to Hereford the driver didn't realise the 142 was coupled on until he was changing ends after reaching Hereford.
 

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TfW have run the latter on the Aberystwyth to Brum service quite frequently.


Nothing else apart from 158s have worked on Aberystwyth to Brum for the last 19 years. Only ERTM fitted units can work over the route and only TFWs 158 fleet were modified apart from 3 x 37s (now 97s) mainly for Engineering Work. They do work between Brum and Shrewsbury but have to be changed at Shrewsbury
 
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Nothing else apart from 158s have worked on Aberystwyth to Brum for the last 19 years. Only ERTM fitted units can work over the route and only TFWs 158 fleet were modified apart from 3 x 37s (now 97s) mainly for Engineering Work. They do work between Brum and Shrewsbury but have to be changed at Shrewsbury
Ah, ok. Thanks for that. I have boarded them at Wellington or Telford Central.
 

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I've had a pair of 313s and a 317 before, first and only time I've seen a 10 car ex BR EMU on the Great Northern :)
 

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If it was an ECS from Canton to Hereford the driver didn't realise the 142 was coupled on until he was changing ends after reaching Hereford.
The occurrence I had a first-hand account of was in the Northern area... as I said a few posts back, it happened a few times before OTMR. I'm not aware of it happening with passengers on board, but it may well have done at some point.
 

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Scotrail have had 156 and 170 and 156 and 158 , not common at all , very rare.
 

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Swiss narrow gauge lines seem pretty relaxed about mixing up all sorts of stock... the one I'm most familiar with is the GoldenPass line where there is often a mix of locos, coaches, units and in a mix of liveries. No guarantee the loco will even be on either end!
Loco in the middle isn't uncommon even on the full-size railway in Switzerland. On rare occasions you'll even have loco + carriages (including driving carrage) + loco + more carriages (and another driving carriage), but loco with 9 carriages one side, 2-3 on the other is an everyday occurence.

Back to narrow gauges, this is also an interesting consist in regular service: helps ensure accessibility, and even maintains a full panoramic carriage (formerly used on the Luzern part of the GoldenPass line and made obsolete by the new EMU's):
https://www.zentralbahn.ch/de/zentralbahn/produktion-rollmaterial/rollmaterial/hge-pendel
 

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Locos in the middle were a daily occurrence on the Southern Region in the first year or so of Bournemouth line electrification:
4TC + 2x73 + 4TC.

Stopped when all the 4REPs became available.
 

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Scotrail have had 156 and 170 and 156 and 158 , not common at all , very rare.
156 + 158 was quite common on the Dunblane/Alloa stoppers. I think one was diagrammed most days and arrived into DBL around 6pm.
Never seen a 156 + 170
 

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156 + 158 was quite common on the Dunblane/Alloa stoppers. I think one was diagrammed most days and arrived into DBL around 6pm.
Never seen a 156 + 170

ScotRail seemed to prefer not to run such a combo in service, I saw a few workings of 156+170 ECS into Queen Street in the afternoon peak pre-electrification. Usually the 156 would work the stopper to Stirling and the 170 then worked the following Alloa.
 

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Has there ever been occasions where two or more different classes of DMU have been coupled up together in passenger service e.g. last diagram of the night or during engineering work
 

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Has there ever been occasions where two or more different classes of DMU have been coupled up together in passenger service e.g. last diagram of the night or during engineering work

Two different classes in passenger service very much. I know of one example of a ScotRail service from Glasgow-Aberdeen in about late-1990 just after the 158s were introduced running as 150+156+158 on a Sunday diversion via Cumbernauld.

The photo is in a book I've seen fairly recently somewhere.
 

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Very true, just pointing out that that's changing. Is it GWR that has some 150s formed the same way?

The GWR class 150 hybrids were formed out of 150125 and 150126 that were numbered 150925 and 150926, 925 has 209 as its centre coach with 926 which had 212.

Northern (Serco Albellio) did operate one class 158 hybrid that was formed from 158842 and 158843, one caoch from 842 was placed into the centre of 843 and 843 was renumbered to 158943 for the duriation. The other coach from 842 was being repaired.

Northern (Arriva Rail North) were going to reform some class 150's into three car sets, sadly this never happened.

Class 153 + class 150 DMS :lol::lol:
View attachment 75490

I still find that funny now with half a 150 coupled to a skateboard.
 

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Many 156s operated like that, as 3-car, in Scotland for periods. Inverness-Aberdeen operated with mostly 3-car sets from May 1989-May 1990 (sets were then disbanded and many sent to Haymarket to cover for the late 158s), and on the West Highland 3-car sets were formed during the summers of 1989 and 1992. These ran as six-car to Crianlarich, with 3-cars each then splitting to run to Oban and Fort William/Mallaig.
 

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The GWR class 150 hybrids were formed out of 150125 and 150126 that were numbered 150925 and 150926, 925 has 209 as its centre coach with 926 which had 212.
Also 150916 was a thing when a coach from 150212 or 209 was placed inside 216 when 150126 was in for PRM works, also 150933 happened with gwr green 150248 had a coach out of use for some reason and was placed inside newly re-liveried 150233
 

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Nothing else apart from 158s have worked on Aberystwyth to Brum for the last 19 years. Only ERTM fitted units can work over the route and only TFWs 158 fleet were modified apart from 3 x 37s (now 97s) mainly for Engineering Work. They do work between Brum and Shrewsbury but have to be changed at Shrewsbury
The ERTMS / ETCS signalling has only been in operation on the Cambrian Lines for the last 9 years though, but it replaced RETB; I'm guessing 2001-2011 was more a case of the Wales & Borders franchise not having any RETB-fitted units other than 158s...? Whereas 2001 and earlier under Central operation, they had 150s/153s/156s/158s and even 170s so fitted and going to Aberystwyth - did any go on the coastal line to Pwllheli...? And more importantly for this thread, were there any mixed class combos on the Cambrian Lines before 2011, or at least before 2001...?
 

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Northern (Serco Albellio) did operate one class 158 hybrid that was formed from 158842 and 158843, one caoch from 842 was placed into the centre of 843 and 843 was renumbered to 158943 for the duriation. The other coach from 842 was being repaired.
One half of 158842 was coupled to one half of another 158 (/9?) also with its other vehicle out for accident damage, this was running round for the best part of a year. It was only a two-car set. There haven't been any three car sets on Northern other than the dedicated ones when the middle cars were put into 752-759 in 2008.
 

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Loco in the middle is quite common in Austria - I've seen trains at Innsbruck formed of two push-pull trains coupled together the same way round, so that one loco is in the middle and the other at one end. The trains divide further east. It also happened briefly on the West Coast Main Line, when an experimental Motorail service ran. As the vans were not fitted for push-pull they had to be coupled at the rear, which meant the loco was in the middle on the southbound run.
Not quite a loco in the middle, but in poor weather the REP/TC formations on the Bournemouth line used to run with the REP "tractor" unit between the two TC units, rather than at the London end as was normal practice. This was, I gather, to ensure that, which ever way the train was going, the driven axles had at least sixteen undriven axles ahead of them to clear any ice or snow away.
The story of the forgotten Pacer on the back of a faster unit recalls the times on the Midland Main Line suburban lines when supposedly compatible units with hydraulic and mechanical transmissions were coupled together. There were several incidents of drivers in a hydraulic cab (which had an automatic transmission) forgetting there was a mechanical unit behind, and thus not using the gear changer provided, resulting in damage to mechanical units gearboxes as they were forced to run at speed whilst still in bottom gear. Eventually, the two types were given different coupling codes (red triangle, blue square) and allocated to different areas. Under TOPS they would become classes 127 and 115 respectively.
My favourite mixed formation? Back in the days when South Transpennine services were being run by a mixture of Class 123 and 124 units, I got a train formed of two Class 123 DMSKs, sandwiching a class 124 TBSK (the latter being one of the former non-driving motor coaches, and necessary to the formation to provide a brake compartment) As denoted by the "K"s, the unit was therefore entirely made up of side-corridor stock.
 

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The ERTMS / ETCS signalling has only been in operation on the Cambrian Lines for the last 9 years though, but it replaced RETB; I'm guessing 2001-2011 was more a case of the Wales & Borders franchise not having any RETB-fitted units other than 158s...? Whereas 2001 and earlier under Central operation, they had 150s/153s/156s/158s and even 170s so fitted and going to Aberystwyth - did any go on the coastal line to Pwllheli...? And more importantly for this thread, were there any mixed class combos on the Cambrian Lines before 2011, or at least before 2001...?

The 158 only scene happened on the Cambrian in 2001 when Wales and Borders took it over on transferring from Central. Even though RETB was in operation at the time, W & B decided that Machynlleth and Pwllheli Depots would be conversant with only Class 158s. and the same today. This was, of course, long before ERTMS was introduced when the decision was made that the Class 158 only would be adapted. The mixed Combos finished when Central lost the route in 2001
 

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Once a Class 376 rescued a 375 somewhere in London. Funnily, the doors couldn't all be opened at the same time, so the 376's doors were opened separately to the 375's. There's more information here.

This is a 23 coach Electrostar. I know it's technically not made of multiple types of train but I thought it was interesting enough to post here. One full-length set broke down so another full-length set was attached and pushed it, but only one of the individual units could actually push it (I guess they were only mechanically connected as the Mitrac system would probably have a fit).
 

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One half of 158842 was coupled to one half of another 158 (/9?) also with its other vehicle out for accident damage, this was running round for the best part of a year. It was only a two-car set. There haven't been any three car sets on Northern other than the dedicated ones when the middle cars were put into 752-759 in 2008.
One half of 158842 was coupled to one half of another 158 (/9?) also with its other vehicle out for accident damage, this was running round for the best part of a year. It was only a two-car set. There haven't been any three car sets on Northern other than the dedicated ones when the middle cars were put into 752-759 in 2008.
Here's proof that found on Youtube that a 3 car 158943 did indeed happen (not my video I must add ;))
 
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This is more like it, it gave me that pre 2005 TransPennine Express feel when travelling between Bristol and Westbury. It'd only just fit into platform 2 at Trowbridge before the platform was extended for the class 165/166 combo's.

One half of 158842 was coupled to one half of another 158 (/9?) also with its other vehicle out for accident damage, this was running round for the best part of a year. It was only a two-car set. There haven't been any three car sets on Northern other than the dedicated ones when the middle cars were put into 752-759 in 2008.

I think there is a photo showing 158943 (52843 + 52842 + 57843) on this forum unless it was on the old Northern Railways forum which closed in 2013, @bluenoxid may know as he was a member on there too.
 

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An odd combo I saw many years ago at Exeter St Davids was a FGW 150/2 pull in with a SWT 159 on the back. I can only assume it was a recovery or rescue.
 
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