Government advice discussion

Belperpete · 25 Mar 2020

I apologise that one of my previous posts was over-critical. However, we have news reports coming in from Spain and Italy of people lying in hospital corridors and dying unattended in care homes. We are a week or two behind these countries. To all those people currently whinging that they can't buy their usual pack of loo roll, that they can't buy their usual range of produce, that they might have to shop locally, that they can't visit the gym, and so on, please consider how insignificant your complaints are rapidly going to seem.

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Bletchleyite · 25 Mar 2020

DarloRich said:
I am hoping MK council keep the food waste collections going. That is what will rot and attract vermin. We need to wash out containers and other rubbish. MK council collect green waste ( including food) recycling and waste every week and my next collection is Thursday

Just tape the lid shut. In winter I only put mine out about once a month anyway, in summer obviously more often due to smells/flies.

DarloRich · 25 Mar 2020

Bletchleyite said:
Just tape the lid shut. In winter I only put mine out about once a month anyway, in summer obviously more often due to smells/flies.

mine all goes in the big green wheelie bin so not an immediate issue

Belperpete · 25 Mar 2020

DarloRich said:
I am hoping MK council keep the food waste collections going. That is what will rot and attract vermin. We need to wash out containers and other rubbish. MK council collect green waste ( including food) recycling and waste every week and my next collection is Thursday
I will burn it all in the garden if i have to!

If you have a garden, you should already be composting anything that can be. Definitely NOT burn it! In my case, the amount of non-compostable food waste is miniscule.

Bletchleyite · 25 Mar 2020

DarloRich said:
mine all goes in the big green wheelie bin so not an immediate issue

Ah yes, I meant the big green wheelie bin - as it warms up just tape it shut.

DarloRich · 25 Mar 2020

Belperpete said:
If you have a garden, you should already be composting anything that can be. Definitely NOT burn it! In my case, the amount of non-compostable food waste is miniscule.

easier for the council to take to take it away like thye do every week so they can compost it and sell it on

If they cant collect the rubbish it will get burnt. National emergency and all that.

Bletchleyite · 25 Mar 2020

DarloRich said:
easier for the council to take to take it away like thye do every week so they can compost it and sell it on If they cant collect the rubbish it will get burnt. National emergency and all that.

Preferably not. Anyone suffering with a tight chest etc from CV could do without a nose full of fumes. I'd actually be in favour of banning burning anything in/around any home that is centrally heated at the moment.

SHD · 25 Mar 2020

Even without composting equipment, you can minimize food waste e.g. by making stock. Vegetable peels, carrot tops, etc...
Meat and chicken bones...
Fish heads, tails and bones...

plus, you’ll have great tasting stock!

DarloRich · 25 Mar 2020

Bletchleyite said:
Preferably not. Anyone suffering with a tight chest etc from CV could do without a nose full of fumes. I'd actually be in favour of banning burning anything in/around any home that is centrally heated at the moment.

agreed - but we might have to!

Bletchleyite · 25 Mar 2020

DarloRich said:
agreed - but we might have to!

We may have to, but that depends on how long reduced services need to continue. As I said I only put mine out about once a month anyway. Everything else can be washed and stored indefinitely.

What didn't impress me much when I was having mild breathing difficulties last week was the guy opposite putting his wood burner on. No need. It's not even that cold.

Ivor · 25 Mar 2020

Just gone out to two women (in a group of eight, in the 30-40 age group) chucking their used tissues on the grass verge outside our house walking up to local park, not a care in the world.
I’ve opened my front door to ‘vent’ at them, looked at me as if I’m mad plus got a few tuts from the group to go along with it totally dismissing me :frown:

By all means take the approved exercise but have they not seen the guidelines for doing so? They probably think they’ll be able to go to the pub on the way home for a few glasses of Prosecco :rolleyes:

Back on shift early tomorrow, I hope very few travellers or I can see a lot of lip biting on my part

Bletchleyite · 25 Mar 2020

I think I'd ring 101 and report to the Police rather than going all vigilante.

Tetchytyke · 25 Mar 2020

Bletchleyite said:
But the vast majority of litter is not, people just lazily chuck e.g. meat packets in the regular bin without washing. Wash them and they're no threat.

Regardless of whether that is true or not (I don't agree it is) refuse collection complies with all social distancing. The collectors wear gloves, etc, and nobody exactly wants to go lick the back of a bin lorry.

Refuse collectors seem to fit into the category of staff required to keep essential infrastructure operational.

CaptainHaddock · 25 Mar 2020

CaptainHaddock said:
Without wishing to appear frivolous, I'm disappointed off licences don't appear on that list. With the pubs shut and many people feeling stressed at what lies ahead, I'm sure many of us would welcome the chance to enjoy a drink.

hexagon789 said:
Supermarkets?

But alcohol is hardly an essential tbh

Good news - off licences have been added to the essential businesses list!

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ial-businesses-list-by-uk-government-covid-19

"The government has added off-licences and other shops licensed to sell alcohol, including those within breweries, to its list of “essential businesses” that can stay open during the coronavirus lockdown.

The late addition of alcohol outlets to the list will be welcome news for many people stuck at home, with pubs and restaurants shut down and supermarkets running low on supplies of beer and wine.

Off-licences will join a list of businesses considered essential to keep the nation running, including supermarkets, pharmacies, banks and petrol stations."

Ivor · 25 Mar 2020

Bletchleyite said:
I think I'd ring 101 and report to the Police rather than going all vigilante.

I just think they’ve got enough on their plate.

rg177 · 25 Mar 2020

My student accommodation have offered me an early break of contract from April 30th. It would save me around £1,400.

The only issue is, I'll need to return to Sheffield, surrender the keys and clear out what remains in there as the car could only fit so much when I shifted home earlier in the week.

I'm not intending on using public transport but still, it's a 2hr 15 drive and strictly speaking, not allowed.

_toommm_ · 25 Mar 2020

rg177 said:
My student accommodation have offered me an early break of contract from April 30th. It would save me around £1,400.

The only issue is, I'll need to return to Sheffield, surrender the keys and clear out what remains in there as the car could only fit so much when I shifted home earlier in the week.

I'm not intending on using public transport but still, it's a 2hr 15 drive and strictly speaking, not allowed.

Interesting that your accommodation is letting you exit your contract. I'm the only one in my flat now, but the other five are faced with paying £2,000 for this third of the year when they're not even living here!

telstarbox · 25 Mar 2020

I would go for it especially as you can do it by car. No point paying for a room you won't use and it might free it up for somebody else.

hexagon789 · 25 Mar 2020

CaptainHaddock said:
Good news - off licences have been added to the essential businesses list!

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ial-businesses-list-by-uk-government-covid-19

"The government has added off-licences and other shops licensed to sell alcohol, including those within breweries, to its list of “essential businesses” that can stay open during the coronavirus lockdown.

The late addition of alcohol outlets to the list will be welcome news for many people stuck at home, with pubs and restaurants shut down and supermarkets running low on supplies of beer and wine.

Off-licences will join a list of businesses considered essential to keep the nation running, including supermarkets, pharmacies, banks and petrol stations."

Well I suppose many of the do sell stuff in addition to alcohol!

SHD · 25 Mar 2020

hexagon789 said:
Well I suppose many of the do sell stuff in addition to alcohol!

In any case, forcefully weaning alcoholics during a lockdown would not only be sadistic, it would be a recipe for disaster, leading to a delirium tremens crisis as well as a surge in contraband. The same goes for tobacco, even if it sounds counter-intuitive considering that COVID is a respiratory disease - a forced weaning would be cruel and would create havoc in the short term.

hexagon789 · 25 Mar 2020

SHD said:
In any case, forcefully weaning alcoholics during a lockdown would not only be sadistic, it would be a recipe for disaster, leading to a delirium tremens crisis as well as a surge in contraband. The same goes for tobacco, even if it sounds counter-intuitive considering that COVID is a respiratory disease - a forced weaning would be cruel and would create havoc in the short term.

I appreciate that as well, but I did seriously mean that some do stock some food/tobacco and so on

lyndhurst25 · 25 Mar 2020

A Liverpool-style perspex-box off-license, with money and booze passed through a small hatch, is probably the safest shop design to limit coronavirus transmission.

rg177 · 25 Mar 2020

telstarbox said:
I would go for it especially as you can do it by car. No point paying for a room you won't use and it might free it up for somebody else.

I have until April 30 to get things out if I choose to do it so I may well leave things be for a wee while but I've essentially said that so long as we fill up on fuel before leaving, and don't stop anywhere en route, I can essentially limit social contact to the person I give the keys to.

My university has said there'll be no more face-to-face teaching for us again (I'm a final year) so really I'd rather keep the £1,400.

Xenophon PCDGS · 25 Mar 2020

RichT54 said:
My council (Bracknell Forest) have suspended collections of garden waste until further notice, but collections of general waste and recycling will go ahead as normal. We don't have food waste recycling yet (planned for October I believe). The bulky item collection service is suspended and the recycling centres in Bracknell and Reading are closed until further notice.

Some councils have a green wheeled bin in which both garden waste and food waste packed in biodegradable bags supplied by the council are used.

hwl · 25 Mar 2020

Xenophon PCDGS said:
Some councils have a green wheeled bin in which both garden waste and food waste packed in biodegradable bags supplied by the council are used.

And some councils have brown bins for both those and are still collecting in my case.

Reduced traffic has seen the collection move earlier in the day.

Siemens Staines · 25 Mar 2020

In my case it meant the bin collection was later because of delays caused by all of the parked cars on the either side of the road that are normally only there overnight and not during the day when the bin lorry comes round. Swings and roundabouts I guess depending upon where you live.

Ivor · 26 Mar 2020

At the station I was working today not the biggest in the world but big enough with 5 platforms, very few travellers & BTP visited a couple of times moving on one or two after questioning them outside on the forecourt who were just hanging around, I just hope people continue to adhere to ‘the rules’

CaptainHaddock · 26 Mar 2020

Rather disturbing report on my BBC local news bulletin that some police forces are stopping people in cars, on bikes or on foot and making up their own laws about what they are allowed to do, where they can do it and how long for.

For the record, the government advice says you're allowed out for one type of exercise a day. There are no laws stating that you can't drive to a local beauty spot to walk your dog, not are there any laws saying that you can't go on a bike ride along quiet country lanes several miles from your home.

Here's a quote from The Derbyshire Roads Policing Unit
"Essential travel and local exercise does not include driving to locations and going for walks. It does not include lycra-clad leisure cycling on the now quieter roads."

Source; https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/live-coronavirus-updates-after-first-3984898

Why are they making up this complete nonsense?

PG · 27 Mar 2020

CaptainHaddock said:
Rather disturbing report on my BBC local news bulletin that some police forces are stopping people in cars, on bikes or on foot and making up their own laws about what they are allowed to do, where they can do it and how long for.

For the record, the government advice says you're allowed out for one type of exercise a day. There are no laws stating that you can't drive to a local beauty spot to walk your dog, not are there any laws saying that you can't go on a bike ride along quiet country lanes several miles from your home.

Here's a quote from The Derbyshire Roads Policing Unit
"Essential travel and local exercise does not include driving to locations and going for walks. It does not include lycra-clad leisure cycling on the now quieter roads."

Source; https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/live-coronavirus-updates-after-first-3984898

Why are they making up this complete nonsense?

I refer you to this post from another Covid-19 thread and in particular the last sentence (my bold):
"Clearing the roads of non-essential travel is a good way to help achieve this."

tsr said:
I had to take significant evasive action due to dopey drivers no less than 4 times on a 25 minute drive to work today, and that was with driving more carefully than usual. Colleagues mention similar.

As you rightly allude to, it's a case of being a bad idea because it's liable to cause an accident, either leading at worst to hospitalisation, or at best an exchange of details and recovery, which would be a very unnecessary social contact and a poor use of time.

There are also fewer key workers than usual due to sickness and self-isolation. There may be nobody to cover for me or many others if we have an accident on the way to work. Clearing the roads of non-essential travel is a good way to help achieve this.

nidave · 27 Mar 2020

Bantamzen said:
This is such a dangerous idea, we are not yet being locked in our homes so why would we need to be individually tracked. Be very careful what we wish for, once given that power can not easily be taken back....

Edit: Of course on the flip side, it can only track you if you take it with you, so perhaps we all need to be GPS microchipped....

You are being tracked at all times anyway. This website is tracking you now. It has to go be able to send you the data to the correct ip address.

The fact people are ignoring the advice of the medical professionals and putting lives at risk is abhorent.
I using data in this way will give these people more information and help build a better model.

I don't know how people don't get this.
Its a totally unknown disease at the moment.

Flu etc we have had decades to study and they can predict with pretty good accuracy how it will spread and what % will get. Plus there is a vaccination. This has none of that data in any significant amount nor is there a vaccination. Using information if available will help the developing situation and along with home testing may allow the country to start moving again.

To quote Ars:

The new coronavirus doesn’t just kill by storming lungs and other organs. It also kills by besieging health care systems.

If left to swirl in a community unchecked for a few weeks, the virus can whip up a tsunami of cases that crash into urgent care clinics, emergency departments, and intensive care units, quickly washing out beds, supplies, and staff.

https://arstechnica.com/science/202...elines-for-hospitals-in-the-time-of-covid-19/

The more data we have the better to keep everything moving and people alive. Not just those with underlying problems (however this dosnt seem to be as true as it used to) but people who have accidents or need a Dr for other reasons. These are just as much of dying due to not enough resources.

Anyother final quote from the same article

In such a crisis, doctors must make heart-wrenching decisions about which patients get the last beds and which get scarce ventilators and respiratory therapists. At the same time, they’re likely facing shortages of personal protective equipment (PPE), such as masks and gowns. Rationing and reusing such items leads to more nurses and doctors getting sick. That means fewer health care workers to wade through the flood of patients. Some may even join their patients in needing critical care.

https://arstechnica.com/science/202...elines-for-hospitals-in-the-time-of-covid-19/

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