DarloRich
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That's what I was worried about! Looks like Johnson might be a super spreader. No wonder Cummings was seen legging out of Downing Street!
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That's what I was worried about! Looks like Johnson might be a super spreader. No wonder Cummings was seen legging out of Downing Street!
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Bantamzen
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Every cloud has a silver lining...
Bletchleyite
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Who's going to do tonight's conference, then, I wonder? Suppose Bojo could just do it from his phone
Should we be surprised that Johnson etc have it - they don't live in some sealed off vacuum from the rest of us (even though they might think they do!)
DarloRich
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Oh look, Gove is back. Where has he been?
Bletchleyite
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DarloRich
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Absolutely. Part of me hates saying this: very effective professional communication.
Shows Johnson up. Calm, clear and somewhat reassuring tone, sensible emphasis, direct messaging and no silliness.
Gove is an ex journalist who has done some TV presenting in the past.
DarloRich
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Absolutely. Just shows how amateur Johnson is. This is the kind of professional approach he simply cant deliver.
hexagon789
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So has the Health Secretary
edwin_m
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I can't remember where I read it but I'm pretty sure a zoonotic pandemic spreading from China was pretty high on the disaster planning agenda. After all it nearly happened with SARS in 2003.
Perhaps wherever they've been hiding Rees-Mogg, in case he says something typically insensitive.
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To put this in perspective, if you get cancer and have to undergo chemotherapy, you may well have to isolate for SIX MONTHS or even longer, depending on how aggressively your particular chemo-cocktail disables your immune system.
I am not saying that there won't be people who will suffer depression through self-isolation, just like going through chemo isn't a bowl of laughs. Whether it is better to be a chemo patient sitting indoors seeing everybody else going about their daily lives as normal, or as now knowing that everyone else is in the same boat as you, is debatable. But being told that any infection you get through social contact could kill you, even those that your body would normally shrug off without you noticing, does concentrate the mind somewhat about the necessity of self-isolating.
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Lucky you.....
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I'm utterly convinced that some of the older members in the railway modelling community have completely ignored the advice and are still doing what they did in the past, short of government orders to close (e.g. club nights)
krus_aragon
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I had no idea that the older members of the railway modelling community meet in nightclubs!
Bantamzen
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You will probably find that of all the generations, the older members of our society are the least concerned by the virus.
Peter Sarf
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I realise that my grandfather more or less died of boredom once he retired. Social interaction is something most of us thrive on. I don't think it is too healthy for younger people to be off work. It is well known that long-term unemployed people become unemployable - they mentally slow down to match the demands and expectations confronting them. So there is psychological damage to be considered.
Yes I have encountered this. I am 60 but not ready to die yet and still feel (rightly or wrongly) "invincible". As i said before - what price do you put on a life !. BUT - the risk is for younger people who are "not ready to die". With the hospitals full of patients struggling with Coronavirus there will be no room for younger people with a life ahead of them if they have an accident.
That is my belief. We are just slowing its spread through society to a manageable pace. Indeed I am nervous that once things die down people will relax too much and cause a second steep rise. Well it will probably be a bit on-off-on-off etc.
Yes I have encountered this. I am 60 but not ready to die yet and still feel (rightly or wrongly) "invincible". As i said before - what price do you put on a life !. BUT - the risk is for younger people who are "not ready to die". With the hospitals full of patients struggling with Coronavirus there will be no room for younger people with a life ahead of them if they have an accident.
That is my belief. We are just slowing its spread through society to a manageable pace. Indeed I am nervous that once things die down people will relax too much and cause a second steep rise. Well it will probably be a bit on-off-on-off etc.
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Peter Sarf
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I believe that's very much the theory that's going around at the moment as to how best to proceed. Total lock down to get the numbers under control followed by easing then restricting and easing and restricting as the rate of infection goes up and down and up and down. Until either its worked its way through the population or we have a vaccine and/or cure.
Peter Sarf
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Quite. And - I think the challenge will be the time lag. Any increase in mobility etc will only show its effect after a couple of weeks or more. And a reduction in socialising will take a few weeks or more to show effect. In the long run I reckon victory will arrive in the form of everyone having already had it, that is unless a vaccine arrives sooner.
Bletchleyite
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I've also said to myself I'm not a parent (a bit of a genetic dead end
) and so I believe a parent should have a ventilator ahead of me. I doubt there is any way to express that, though. Maybe I should put a signed note in my wallet or something.Peter Sarf
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I think the horse has already bolted from that stable. My firm is busy importing & exporting to Europe. We have some significant flows from Northern Italy and beyond so I am a bit nervous. We make things that can be used for ventilators.
I've also said to myself I'm not a parent (a bit of a genetic dead end
Same here. Although i have adult step sons and a grand-daughter.
I've also said to myself I'm not a parent (a bit of a genetic dead end
One of the papers (see BBC’s online newspaper review) reckons that half of the people put into intensive care for Covid are dying anyway, with concerns they are needlessly prolonging life.
Scary times
That also means half the people going into intensive care are recovering. Over time they should be able to profile who it is worth expending this effort on, particularly as the situation gets worse.
Peter Sarf
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Well we are all dying anyway - its a one way street !. OK, I know what you mean and tbh I guess a lot of those dying might have succumbed to a flu of some sort over the next five years or so. But the dilemma is that you cannot kick them out out of hospital to make way for cancer treatment etc etc. So it is best to slow down the demand on the NHS.
This is a worrying and lonely time for many people. If COVID-19 had been contained in Wuhan that would have been great but things are never that simple.
The survivors whether it be via hospital or just never got it bad will hopefully swell the ranks of herd immunity.
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We don't actually know if herd immunity will work. It's worth noting that Sir Patrick Valance first raised the idea, but he's essentially a modeller, so from a modelling perspective, it's a great idea.
Bantamzen
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Ultimately it must work, viruses have been around a heck of a lot longer than us, and have been hijacking our cells for almost as long as life has existed. And we are still here, so....
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