Jamiescott1
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Bored now especially as I disagree with the lockdown.
We need to be tested instead
We need to be tested instead
Bored especially as I disagree with the lockdown.
We need to be tested instead
Whilst most people would agree that we need to ramp up testing, there's a few problems with that.
Firstly it takes time to ramp up testing to the point that it's a viable option.
Secondly we can't test for who's already had the virus and so what do we do with those who don't have it?
The current test might not pick up people who are just infected.
What's the strategy along side testing?
It's unlikely to wipe out the human species, but it could result in a greater ongoing death rate than we're used to in a modern society.
It's unlikely to wipe out the human species, but it could result in a greater ongoing death rate than we're used to in a modern society.
Shingles and chickenpox
You cannot catch shingles from someone with chickenpox.
You can catch chickenpox from someone with shingles if you have not had chickenpox before.
When you get chickenpox, the virus stays in your body. It can be triggered again if your immune system is low and cause shingles.
This can be because of stress, certain conditions, or treatments like chemotherapy.
Even if we don't get lifetime immunity then chances are the vaccine would be given in year 9 along side the BCG vaccination (unless there's underlying heath issues where an earlier vaccine could be provided).
The response to it might be unprecedented, but much higher levels of mortality than usual owning to viral infections are nothing new under the sun. What is new is the level of exposure to it's spread via online platforms, news feeds etc. This in part is driving the public sense of fear, that may or may not be proportional to the actual threat of the virus.
It remains to be seen how much more dangerous this is compared to others similar to it, and views on this are starting to shift.
Dominic Cummings has had to self isolate now after displaying symptoms
Is it not the case, though, that projected deaths were about 250,000-500,000 in the event of no measures being taken?
Is it not the case, though, that projected deaths were about 250,000-500,000 in the event of no measures being taken?
The fact is we don't, or ever will know if those original models where anywhere near correct. We can probably agree they were likely worst case scenarios designed to get governments globally to react, but may not have been accurate for all countries. As I type over on the BBC news feed is reporting that the mortality rate in Germany is far below the curve the original model forecast, and this is being put down to a better testing regime. Indeed it is reporting that such is their available capacity, they are taking in patients from France & Italy. So serious questions will be raised, is our lock-down to protect us, the NHS or the government's previous policies? Once this has all past it's peak, this ought to be at the front of all our minds.
As I type over on the BBC news feed is reporting that the mortality rate in Germany is far below the curve the original model forecast, and this is being put down to a better testing regime.
Do flu deaths happen in a very short space of time and do a significant number involve a fortnight occupying an intensive care bed? And of course deaths isn’t the significant number here, the significant number is how many people require hospital treatment and ICU bedsYet two years ago, a combination of a flu epidemic and an exceptionally cold winter caused 50,000 excess deaths and no-one was calling for a full lockdown back then.
Do flu deaths happen in a very short space of time and do a significant number involve a fortnight occupying an intensive care bed? And of course deaths isn’t the significant number here, the significant number is how many people require hospital treatment and ICU beds
I was reflecting on something Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick said yesterday. He mentioned that "strategic coordination centres" are being established around the UK. They sound like the proposed cold war regional government system. it is very interesting. I hope they don't have to use their power to shoot looters anytime soon
I was reflecting on something Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick said yesterday. He mentioned that "strategic coordination centres" are being established around the UK. They sound like the proposed cold war regional government system. it is very interesting. I hope they don't have to use their power to shoot looters anytime soon
Questions should be asked about how and why we were not in position to test, how and why we didn't ( or perhaps still don't) have the correct PPE in place, how and why we didn't take part in the EU drive to deliver ventilators and when and in what numbers the British industry drive to deliver ventilators will actually deliver.
Gold Commanders is standard emergency response framework used by the blue light servicesI believe these are for coordinating things like food deliveries. However, they are using very strong language to describe them, things like "gold commanders". I have a feeling this may be to shut up the fairly common moan I'm seeing around the place of "we want the Army on the streets".
I think both you and I know the answer to that one
Gold Commanders is standard emergency response framework used by the blue light services
Gold Commanders is standard emergency response framework used by the blue light services
The railway have also been known to instigate "Gold Controls" in times of severe disruption.
This is a very interesting point. Estimates very, but it seems now most experts expect the final death toll from Covid-19 in the UK to be between 5,000 and 20,000.
Yet two years ago, a combination of a flu epidemic and an exceptionally cold winter caused 50,000 excess deaths and no-one was calling for a full lockdown back then.
(Source - http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/co...cess-winter-deaths-last-year/20037896.article)
"There were over 50,000 excess winter deaths in England and Wales last winter, the highest recorded since 1975/76, according to data released by the Office of National Statistics (ONS). The increase is thought to be a result of the prevalence of flu last year, alongside ineffectiveness of the flu vaccine and colder than usual temperatures in the 2017/18 winter period, according to the ONS. The excess winter mortality rate, which compares the numbers of deaths between December and March to the average number of deaths across the rest of the year, continued to be the highest in females and people aged 85 and over."
Understandably, as Bantamzen says, some people are now starting to question whether the draconian measures the government has taken are proportionate to the actual threat.
Indeed - however it is more the structure, especially military involvement, of what has been created that is very similar to a watered down regional government system proposed for a cold war crisis.
Do these new tests avoid having a stick thrust up your nose, or would that still be how they obtain the samples?