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Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

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It's a pity that the 442s don't qualify for Roger Ford's monthly new train reliability survey. Does anyone have idea what the MTIN (miles per technical incident) is for them currently?
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I don't, but it can't be great right now. Until last week their performance overall seemed to be on a positive trajectory, but there has been a spate of door issues recently as well as some electrical problems and far too frequent cancellations of often peak am and pm services.
 
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Goldfish62 said:
It's a pity that the 442s don't qualify for Roger Ford's monthly new train reliability survey. Does anyone have idea what the MTIN (miles per technical incident) is for them currently?
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No MR data for them unfortunately, they weren't really in service sufficiently when the last annual report was done so we'll have to wait until next January unless anybody has any insider information.
 
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Unsurprisingly, it looks like we’ve seen the last of the 442s for the time being with the reduced timetable from Monday.
 
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There have been cancellations to 442 diagrams this week due to lack of trained staff.

Fair to say this project is just doomed in every way!
 
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442s have been particularly susceptible to cancellation as they require 2 drivers still for much of the route.
 
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It’s the same in most industries. The non-standard go first as it maintains the maximum operational flexibility.
 
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Decision was taken about 2pm Wednesday to bin them off, allowing for crew to be redistributed.
 
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pompeyfan said:
Decision was taken about 2pm Wednesday to bin them off, allowing for crew to be redistributed.
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Wholly sensible move.

Depending on how long the current crisis continues I am wondering whether what is left of our railways will actually require the 442s in service again.
 
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I have to agree with you, I don’t think there will be demand for them, but I also see this crisis bringing the franchise system down in one swoop, but that is obviously a discussion for another thread.
 
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Goldfish62 said:
Wholly sensible move.

Depending on how long the current crisis continues I am wondering whether what is left of our railways will actually require the 442s in service again.
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"...what is left of our railways..."

Rather an odd statement.

The railways have survived a couple of world wars and a variety of other ills and continue to go on.

Yes , we are in a difficult period but there is nothing to suggest that once all this over the country will return to a sense of normality quite quickly and certainly in the longer term.

The railways are bigger than a blip in the system of an untenable franchising system.
 
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theironroad said:
"...what is left of our railways..."

Rather an odd statement.

The railways have survived a couple of world wars and a variety of other ills and continue to go on.

Yes , we are in a difficult period but there is nothing to suggest that once all this over the country will return to a sense of normality quite quickly and certainly in the longer term.

The railways are bigger than a blip in the system of an untenable franchising system.
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Personally I think you're grossly underestimating the enormous economic impact. It seems likely that we are going to have not just a recession, but a world depression. Many businesses, large and small, are already running out of cash and will go bust and many people will lose their jobs. The downturn in employment will have an enormous impact on commuting and people will not be able to afford to travel as much as they have. Life is never going to be the same again in a lot of our lifetimes.

The railways will not be immune.
 
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Goldfish62 said:
Wholly sensible move.

Depending on how long the current crisis continues I am wondering whether what is left of our railways will actually require the 442s in service again.
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If travels return to normal faster than expected, it would be worth retaining 458s or 707s rather than reprieving 442s.
 
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If travels return to normal faster than expected, it would be worth retaining 458s or 707s rather than reprieving 442s.
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No it would not, unless you were to move the rumoured limited number of desiro services on the Windsor side back to the mainline side, and back fill with 707s. Otherwise you then have to train the correct crews to work PDL services using stock that is not suitable for PDL services.
 
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No it would not, unless you were to move the rumoured limited number of desiro services on the Windsor side back to the mainline side, and back fill with 707s. Otherwise you then have to train the correct crews to work PDL services using stock that is not suitable for PDL services.
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The backfill arrangement is, I imagine, what the poster above had in mind. No way it would work otherwise. The fact that any 450s still needed to work routes that would be perfectly logical to operate with 701s and their predecessors always seemed odd to me, as if they hadn't ordered sufficient stock to do what they need.
 
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I see there was another move from Ely in the early hours, anyone know what the consist was?

Edit: Sneaky buggers, stock dragged by a pair of 20s and I missed it !! :'(
Consist was 20311/314 + 2401.
 
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spark001uk said:
I see there was another move from Ely in the early hours, anyone know what the consist was?

Edit: Sneaky buggers, stock dragged by a pair of 20s and I missed it !! :'(
Consist was 20311/314 + 2401.
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I'm surprised the moving of such trains is considered essential in these times.
 
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I'm surprised the moving of such trains is considered essential in these times.
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If it's another unit being brought down for parts donation, then this gives them time to carry out maintenance on the operational sets whilst they're out of use, so they are ready to go back into service should they be required again. As long as they maintain social distancing at work as much as possible.
 
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According to the class 442 Wikipedia it displays that 2 442s have been scrapped but I have not seen this anywhere on websites to magazines etc. Does anybody know if this is true that 2 have been scrapped?
 
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According to the class 442 Wikipedia it displays that 2 442s have been scrapped but I have not seen this anywhere on websites to magazines etc. Does anybody know if this is true that 2 have been scrapped?
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As at January 28th Carl Watson had this on his Eastleigh works photo site:
“The motor coaches of 442405 and 442424 are in the scrap line awaiting final component recovery.”
http://www.carlswatson.com/trains202001.html
That’s the same two units that wiki lists as being scrapped, referencing Railways Illustrated as the source.
 
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As at January 28th Carl Watson had this on his Eastleigh works photo site:
“The motor coaches of 442405 and 442424 are in the scrap line awaiting final component recovery.”
http://www.carlswatson.com/trains202001.html
That’s the same two units that wiki lists as being scrapped, referencing Railways Illustrated as the source.
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Sad site, that. I see that 442's motor bogies were swapped out for old B5s which now seem to be in use as accommodation bogies. Bits of old Mk1 EMU kit still continue to live on!
 
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nlogax said:
Sad site, that. I see that 442's motor bogies were swapped out for old B5s which now seem to be in use as accommodation bogies. Bits of old Mk1 EMU kit still continue to live on!
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I think the motor bogies (4-REP) might actually match class 73 bogies rather than EMU bogies !. But yes its the end of one line of EE (English Electric) era kit.
 
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swt_passenger said:
That’s the same two units that wiki lists as being scrapped, referencing Railways Illustrated as the source.
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Scrapping was *due* to begin in February which is what is reported in Railways Illustrated but it got delayed, partly as component recovery wasn't finished in time. The Wikipedia entry has jumped the gun.
 
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