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They just tweeted that the 17:10 85 service from Truro to Newquay won't be operating due to a road traffic collision, presumably one of those buses were meant to work that service or another RTC somewhere?

A bus is alleged to have hit a car causing significant damage and drove off in Zelah. WA20*** registration reported!
 
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A bus is alleged to have hit a car causing significant damage and drove off in Zelah. WA20*** registration reported!
Oh dear, one driver certainly hasn't had the greatest of starts with TfC!

Surely crashing into another vehicle and driving off would lead to dismissal for a bus driver?
 

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that is the last service of the day potentially stranding passengers! Surely a priority service for sending a spare bus out for?
I believe the bus due to do the 17.10 85 truro to newquay hit a car in zelah which msybe the real reason it didn't run.
 

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Another bus has lost its front corner somewhere in Newquay! That’s 4 damaged on first weekday. Imagine if the roads were busy the chaos this pilot would be causing
 

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Another bus has lost its front corner somewhere in Newquay! That’s 4 damaged on first weekday. Imagine if the roads were busy the chaos this pilot would be causing
4 is ridicules especially as some are brand new buses, imagine if they had to do there full timetable they wouldnt have enough buses.
Imagine those driver on the busy roads on a cornish tourist summer l, these driver must have been rushed through training as soon as they could?
 

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4 is ridicules especially as some are brand new buses, imagine if they had to do there full timetable they wouldnt have enough buses.
Imagine those driver on the busy roads on a cornish tourist summer l, these driver must have been rushed through training as soon as they could?

none are new drivers, but several are “journeyman” drivers who’ve Been fired from everywhere they’ve been for poor standards
 

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none are new drivers, but several are “journeyman” drivers who’ve Been fired from everywhere they’ve been for poor standards
So its probaly not the first time they damaged a bus.
Do TFC have a uniform as seen both drivers wearing a red shirt but covered up, just wonder as first usually have really smart uniform especially for the tinner drivers
 

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So its probaly not the first time they damaged a bus.
Do TFC have a uniform as seen both drivers wearing a red shirt but covered up, just wonder as first usually have really smart uniform especially for the tinner drivers

seems to be red polo shirts with TfC logo on breast
 

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First of all, hope you and your good lady are keeping yourself safe, even more so in these dark days. Hopefully, we will all come out of this in a few months' time and reflect on something quite pivotal in our lives. Until then, take care of yourselves!

It does seem odd that Corserv should get that sort of assistance in tendering for ANY business vs other commercial organisations. It doesn't so much affect this bid but it does provide them with a competitive advantage over commercial organisations.

In terms of this bid, the fact that the Go Ahead bid was higher than First's isn't an issue per se. Big caveat here: We don't know what the scoring system was for this tender but from experience, the commercial score is NOT a straight comparison of pounds and pence. Also, how the quality aspect was scored is not known by anyone here AFAIK? So the next couple of paragraphs are supposition as to what could have happened.

Let's say the commercial score is worth 50% of the total marks. Not knowing what the costs are but let's say the it was £15m p.a. against FK's bid of £12m. So 50 x (lowest compliant bid price divided by the tenderer's bid price) = so Go Ahead score 40 points and FK would have scored 50.

Then you have the technical or quality score also being 50% of the total marks. They'd be a raft of anodyne questions with various criteria that you have to hit. These will be marked (as @Goldfish62 used to do) by 3 or more assessors to get a representative score for each question. If Go Ahead did some sort of exceptional job and FK didn't, they might have scored 48 and FK scored 37 so Go Ahead would get the gig despite being more expensive because the quality of their bid response was better.

That make sense?
Thanks for your detailed reply, and for your good wishes.

I completely understand your guarded language, and I don't disagree with anything you say here.

I do wonder about the 'morality' (not the ideal word, but I feel constrained about using the one I'd like to use) about accepting a tender which you're going to be paying out on knowing that some of that money will be getting paid back to a company which is an arm of your own organisation. In other contexts I've heard this sort of arrangement being described as a 'kickback', not that I'm insinuating individual private bank accounts, I hasten to add!
 

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There finally showing on bus times map, but no fleet list at the moment
The E200s are on the Citybus fleet list at the moment, so need to jump between the two for the moment, with all the changes in fleet with Kernow and TfC it will certainly keep the runners of bustimes busy
 

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The E200s are on the Citybus fleet list at the moment, so need to jump between the two for the moment, with all the changes in fleet with Kernow and TfC it will certainly keep the runners of bustimes busy
Are they only using single deckers of the enviro 200 and 200mmc at this point in time
 

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And the buses have just started showing on the map this morning.
Thankfully yeah something to keep me occupied, Kernow's buses started showing yesterday and TfC by the looks of it today, good to see what buses might be on what routes when we are all allowed back on our travels
 

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At the moment yeah, not much point in using double deckers at the moment for obvious reasons
Anyone know what buses they were going to use for cornwall before covid19 changed the routes saw some online like east Yorkshire tridents, enviro 400 and scania omnicity
 

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Anyone know what buses they were going to use for cornwall before covid19 changed the routes saw some online like east Yorkshire tridents, enviro 400 and scania omnicity

I think the idea was for most of the hired vehicles to be used in Plymouth to replace newer vehicles to be used in Cornwall until deliveries of new vehicles were complete.
 

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I think the idea was for most of the hired vehicles to be used in Plymouth to replace newer vehicles to be used in Cornwall until deliveries of new vehicles were complete.

That is the case Ian. The excellent Plymothian Transit said that the larger vehicles received on loan were mostly, if not entirely, remaining in Plymouth in order to release their newer Enviro 400s to Cornwall. However, there was the caveat that with the reduced service levels in Plymouth, there would be some question as to how many would end up in use.
 

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surely a decker is better at this current time to allow the few passengers to spread out more
I haven't heard of passenger numbers exceeding 4 yet, all the pics TfC drivers have posted they seem to be nearly always empty with one or two route learners aboard

But yeah I can see your point, maybe the PR1 in particular could use double deckers so hospital and shop workers can spread out, with Kernow having plenty of available dd's?
 

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What vehicles have been ordered in total for Transport for Cornwall services? Will OTS and Summercourt services gain new buses as well as Go Ahead?
 

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What vehicles have been ordered in total for Transport for Cornwall services? Will OTS and Summercourt services gain new buses as well as Go Ahead?
Don't forget Hopley's. They're running TfC services as well.

This has been covered earlier in this tread, but basically Hopley's and OTS are getting new buses, but Summercourt have acquired secondhand buses, mainly E200s.
 

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Seems the timetables means morning. It is really a memory of western greyhound sitting at St Austell bus station. Poor looking ex London buses, no compliance to the timetables, most drivers lacking uniform...
One example the 0720 22 st Austell to Truro, this morning did a loop of the bus station at 0737, didn’t pull onto any bay and off he went! Running late on first of day doesn’t put stead for the whole day ahead!
I can only imagine how this would look if they were running full timetables
 

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