Coronavirus.

Meerkat · 1 Apr 2020

I predict they will have to do a “this is what you demanded, now look” where they release restrictions more than they really want to and then pull back after a surge in cases frightens people again.
It will need good testing to catch the surge in infections rather than waiting for the deaths to soar.
But of course too much testing and those who have had it will be a large group with far less incentive to stay indoors and lockdown starts to collapse.
Glad I am sat on a sofa rather than making the decisions!

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scotrail158713 · 1 Apr 2020

Meerkat said:
Glad I am sat on a sofa rather than making the decisions!

I think most of us are. I certainly am!

ainsworth74 · 1 Apr 2020

Meerkat said:
Glad I am sat on a sofa rather than making the decisions!

Yes I'm quite content to be an armchair general for this one rather than the poor sods who are actually having to make decisions!

Cowley · 1 Apr 2020

ainsworth74 said:
Yes I'm quite content to be an armchair general for this one rather than the poor sods who are actually having to make decisions!

I wouldn’t even want to be that high up.
I’m quite happy being an armchair sergeant.

edwin_m · 1 Apr 2020

Cowley said:
I wouldn’t even want to be that high up.
I’m quite happy being an armchair sergeant.

If you're less high up then wouldn't that make you a beanbag sergeant?

Always assuming somebody hasn't eaten all the beans.

Cowley · 1 Apr 2020

edwin_m said:
If you're less high up then wouldn't that make you a beanbag sergeant?

Always assuming somebody hasn't eaten all the beans.

Very good.

R G NOW. · 1 Apr 2020

Bletchleyite said:
The mass antibody testing will be via simple home test kits. That's to establish who's had it, not who has it, to get a better figure.

Thanks for clearing that one up, now I understand.

DarloRich · 1 Apr 2020

I wonder if there will be some harder and more direct questioning of the government spokesman on testing, capacity and ventilator delivery at the briefing today. The performance of various government spokesmen on these subjects has been "varied" with suggestions that they might not quite telling the truth.

There wont be of course. What we will get is the same long, rambling, verbal diarrhea process we get every day! Instead the reporters should ask very simple, concise, direct questions: On what date will we achieve X ( being the number last spouted by the government) number of tests. How many quarantined NHS staff have been tested today? When will they have results enabling them to get back to work?

it isnt hard. Why cant they do it?

Bantamzen · 1 Apr 2020

DarloRich said:
I wonder if there will be some harder and more direct questioning of the government spokesman on testing, capacity and ventilator delivery at the briefing today. The performance of various government spokesmen on these subjects has been "varied" with suggestions that they might not quite telling the truth.

There wont be of course. What we will get is the same long, rambling, verbal diarrhea process we get every day! Instead the reporters should ask very simple, concise, direct questions: On what date will we achieve X ( being the number last spouted by the government) number of tests. How many quarantined NHS staff have been tested today? When will they have results enabling them to get back to work?

it isnt hard. Why cant they do it?

Now I know you know the answer, but a partial clue for those that don't:

Because it's a *overnment run by *or** Joh****

You all have 30 seconds to fill in the blanks...

<cue Countdown-esk music, subject to copyright>

Arglwydd Golau · 1 Apr 2020

DarloRich said:
it isnt hard. Why cant they do it?

Entirely agree with you. There have been no searching questions at all and I don't expect that will change at all. Government is getting an easy ride.

AM9 · 1 Apr 2020

DarloRich said:
I wonder if there will be some harder and more direct questioning of the government spokesman on testing, capacity and ventilator delivery at the briefing today. The performance of various government spokesmen on these subjects has been "varied" with suggestions that they might not quite telling the truth.

There wont be of course. What we will get is the same long, rambling, verbal diarrhea process we get every day! Instead the reporters should ask very simple, concise, direct questions: On what date will we achieve X ( being the number last spouted by the government) number of tests. How many quarantined NHS staff have been tested today? When will they have results enabling them to get back to work?

it isnt hard. Why cant they do it?

It is hard though, - on their pride!

hwl · 1 Apr 2020

DarloRich said:
I wonder if there will be some harder and more direct questioning of the government spokesman on testing, capacity and ventilator delivery at the briefing today....

It look like we are no nearer to see testing or ventilator situation improve this week, almost a "lost week"?

The reality is that the ventilator situation will be improving though repairs and ramping up production at existing factories but it will still be a while before any of the new production facility produced stuff is seen by hospitals.

DarloRich · 1 Apr 2020

hwl said:
The reality is that the ventilator situation will be improving though repairs and ramping up production at existing factories but it will still be a while before any of the new production facility produced stuff is seen by hospitals.

absolutely - but lets see honesty about that and ask why this wasn't started earlier. More than a week has been wasted.

greyman42 · 1 Apr 2020

Was I mistaken, or did I hear on the news that Sweden is carrying on as normal and going down the herd immunity path?

Esker-pades · 1 Apr 2020

greyman42 said:
Was I mistaken, or did I hear on the news that Sweden is carrying on as normal and going down the herd immunity path?

No. Sweden is attempting to get people to do the right thing without imposing mandatory restrictions. The responsibility is placed on the individual. With few mandatory measures, there has been a noticeable change in behaviour.

Cultural Factors:

High level of trust in public authorities in Sweden
More than half of Swedish households are made up of one person
Desire to keep physically and mentally healthy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52076293

Bletchleyite · 1 Apr 2020

FelixtheCat said:
No. Sweden is attempting to get people to do the right thing without imposing mandatory restrictions. The responsibility is placed on the individual. With few mandatory measures, there has been a noticeable change in behaviour.

The UK of course attempted this and it failed miserably. As a libertarian (ish) Bojo did not want to have to legislate.

hooverboy · 1 Apr 2020

greyman42 said:
Was I mistaken, or did I hear on the news that Sweden is carrying on as normal and going down the herd immunity path?

not exactly.

my swedish colleagues have said that stockholm has restricted movements, but most of the rest of the country is still operating basically as normal.
Worth remembering that swedish border control put in some border restrictions about 3 years ago,whereby passengers entering via the oresund train from denmark would already have some passport checks, and you had to register with the authorities if you were staying any longer than 1 week/5 working days.

I would definitely agree that there is also a cultural effect in play. They do work/play/eat healthy there to begin with(lots of organic and eco food stores),and with a lot of single households+beer at £8 a pint,there is less scope for domestics

Thomas31 · 1 Apr 2020

Serious questions need to be asked of China. Almost every major epidemic/pandemic of written history has originated there, from the Black Death to Covid-19...

hooverboy · 1 Apr 2020

Thomas31 said:
Serious questions need to be asked of China. Almost every major epidemic/pandemic of written history has originated there, from the Black Death to Covid-19...

I think it does prove that their security standards,be that food hygiene, or "medical research" if you believe the conspiracy theories, are not as strict as they ought to be

in the case of the latter,then we would be hypocritical to finger point,as we have similar "medical research" in this country.

I am working on the basis that this was an accidental security breach.
China will be punished enough by companies taking a good long hard look at how and where they source their components I think.

Thomas31 · 1 Apr 2020

hooverboy said:
I think it does prove that their security standards,be that food hygiene, or "medical research" if you believe the conspiracy theories, are not as strict as they ought to be

in the case of the latter,then we would be hypocritical to finger point,as we have similar "medical research" in this country.

I am working on the basis that this was an accidental security breach.
China will be punished enough by companies taking a good long hard look at how and where they source their components I think.

Unfortunately it’s definitely their hygiene and eating practices. There’s still a handful of Bubonic Plague cases a year in Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang because people are foolish enough to eat BBQ marmots.

DarloRich · 1 Apr 2020

Majority of questions ducked. No dates. Lots of waffle. Poor show. Anyone watching can see the unwillingness to be open and honest in answering questions especially on testing and ppe.

Reporters better but still a bit soft and rambling in their questions.

The situation with testing is clearly unacceptable and it feels like the government have made some bad calls and wont admit that

Very clear questions: why is Germany able to test so many more people? Why cant we replicate that? What are you hiding secretary of state?

DarloRich · 1 Apr 2020

Also there is a clear discrepancy between what the government say about ppe and what people at the coal face say about ppe. Something doesnt add up.

Bletchleyite · 1 Apr 2020

@DarloRich Serious question - if we were doing exactly what say Germany is, would you be happy?

Thomas31 · 1 Apr 2020

DarloRich said:
Also there is a clear discrepancy between what the government say about ppe and what people at the coal face say about ppe. Something doesnt add up.

What do you expect from a government of such charlatans?

Leo1961 · 1 Apr 2020

Thomas31 said:
What do you expect from a government of such charlatans?

Better?

hooverboy · 1 Apr 2020

DarloRich said:
Majority of questions ducked. No dates. Lots of waffle. Poor show. Anyone watching can see the unwillingness to be open and honest in answering questions especially on testing and ppe.

Reporters better but still a bit soft and rambling in their questions.

The situation with testing is clearly unacceptable and it feels like the government have made some bad calls and wont admit that

Very clear questions: why is Germany able to test so many more people? Why cant we replicate that? What are you hiding secretary of state?

they have about 10* as many individual care rooms as we have.

most hospitals in germany do not have "dormitory" type wards,so there is quite a degree of social distancing already for those accutely ill, meaning that it is not as transmissible.
it doesn't mean you won't get sick in the first place, but it does mean a lot less chance of making others who are sick already,even sicker

DarloRich · 1 Apr 2020

Bletchleyite said:
@DarloRich Serious question - if we were doing exactly what say Germany is, would you be happy?

I dont know. Tell me why, clearly, we dont need to do that and I will be happy. Show me the evidence and the information.

Why is our approach the right one and explain why the German approach is the wrong one. Explain it. Otherwise it LOOKS like we simply arent going to bother testing becuaee we cant do the numbers needed and it LOOKS like the government have at best dropped the ball.

It FEELS like we should do the same as Germany. If the evidence proves otherwise spell it out. Dont just say each country is different. Explain why.

EDIT: the bigger question is why are Germany in the postion to offer that number of tests when we are not. Surely Johnson and his chums havent been asleep at the switch?

DarloRich · 1 Apr 2020

hooverboy said:
they have about 10* as many individual care rooms as we have.

most hospitals in germany do not have "dormitory" type wards,so there is quite a degree of social distancing already for those accutely ill, meaning that it is not as transmissible

And that explains the test numbers how?

Bletchleyite · 1 Apr 2020

DarloRich said:
I dont know. Tell me why, clearly, we dont need to do that and I will be happy. Show me the evidence and the information.

Why is our approach the right one and explain why the German approach is the wrong one. Explain it. Otherwise it LOOKS like we simply arent going to bother testing becuaee we cant do the numbers needed and it LOOKS like the government have at best dropped the ball.

It FEELS like we should do the same as Germany. If the evidence proves otherwise spell it out. Dont just say each country is different. Explain why.

That wasn't the question.

My question was if we were doing the same as Germany would you be happy.

I know you are strongly anti-the present Government, and I am interested as to whether that is clouding your view or not.

hooverboy · 1 Apr 2020

DarloRich said:
And that explains the test numbers how?

it does explain the difference in mortality rate

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