Bletchleyite
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In any case the places concerned don't have those facilities, they're just a promenade with the occasional tea trailer.
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Enforcement of the new rules on social distancing, unnecessary journeys etc.
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In any case the places concerned don't have those facilities, they're just a promenade with the occasional tea trailer.
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Give the police any amount of new powers and they WILL abuse it! They just can’t help themselves!
I don't go to the seaside for any of those things, so the fact that they are shut would make no difference. However, considering how far Sheffield is from the sea I will not be going there anytime soon.
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CaptainHaddock
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They only make the news because they're an exception to the rule!
Ask your average tabloid editor if "99 percent of the public are acting responsibly" is an interesting news story!
Went for a wander today (exercise!) and it occurred to me that this ‘going to a prettier place is better because there are fewer people there’ excuse doesn’t really hold up.
Wandered through the town centre. Very few people in an area designed for many people means easy distancing - wide pavements, you can cross the road, you can walk in the road there is so little traffic.
Wandered through the countryside, different story. Narrower paths constrained by fences/ditches/undergrowth and more people than would normally be there. And that’s without going anywhere with gates and stiles that have to be touched by all users.
Wandered through the town centre. Very few people in an area designed for many people means easy distancing - wide pavements, you can cross the road, you can walk in the road there is so little traffic.
Wandered through the countryside, different story. Narrower paths constrained by fences/ditches/undergrowth and more people than would normally be there. And that’s without going anywhere with gates and stiles that have to be touched by all users.
DarloRich
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Agreed - one of the benefits of pavement pounding is that I can cross the road if a pavement creeper appears! I cant do that out in the sticks or down by the canal.
To be fair whilst most people were happy with just being as far away as the edge of the path and some waited at narrow points there was one old chap who disappeared off into the undergrowth to keep about 6m distance!
trainophile
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Our little flat (second home but with a good reason, i.e. bought when my now late mother was resident in a care home nearby) is a minute's walk from the Promenade, so I would have been perfectly justified in taking my daily exercise along the front, especially as it's a wide Promenade shared with cyclists.
Unfortunately I'm not able to get there currently, being stuck in the main home in the Midlands. Quite worried about stuff left in the fridge on my last departure too, thinking I would be back a week later. Oh well, just got to do what we're told.
Unfortunately I'm not able to get there currently, being stuck in the main home in the Midlands. Quite worried about stuff left in the fridge on my last departure too, thinking I would be back a week later. Oh well, just got to do what we're told.
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Now there is allowance for 'reasonable' journeys I expect traffic to increase. I had to go out today, only a 5 mile round trip, but it was almost like a normal working day in terms of traffic levels.
A friend who is a schoolteacher has been issued with a formal letter explaining why she is out and about. The school have been advised to plan and prepare for a tightening of the rules on movement imminently and the Head needed to get the letters out before school closes on Friday for Easter holidays.
A friend who is a schoolteacher has been issued with a formal letter explaining why she is out and about. The school have been advised to plan and prepare for a tightening of the rules on movement imminently and the Head needed to get the letters out before school closes on Friday for Easter holidays.
Tetchytyke
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If they'd just said that in the first place we wouldn't be having this conversation *facepalm*
There have been several reports of key workers switching from buses & trains to cars.
For example:
Tetchytyke
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Inevitable, really, but if people are outside with "reasonable excuse" then so what. People in private motor vehicles don't transmit Covid-19. People on public transport do.
Key workers with a car are, naturally going to drive instead. Especially with such poor frequencies on public transport now.
There are better things to worry about.
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You aren't really anymore likely to catch it on a train with a dozen strangers as you are at work with several hundred colleagues.
Everyone off at work caught it from their partners/children.
Everyone off at work caught it from their partners/children.
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Just replying to your point, I don't indulge in telephone/internet banking, as my branch is less than five minutes walk from my house and I wish to aid in its continued existence. Last week, I needed to bank a cheque I'd received and to cancel a Standing Order, getting confirmation this had been done (a problem for me once in the past); both were 'essential'. Re the Post Office, beside the letter I needed to send by Recorded Delivery, it's almost impossible to know how much you're being charged to post other than a small letter now, with weight being replaced by size-cum-weight-cum-whatever-we-the-P.O.- can- get- away -with-screwing- you- for, stamps for which are not available at your local convenience store.Plus, many pensioners, often without bank accounts, have arranged to pick up their cash there monthly. Be a little more imaginative!
I don’t think this quasi-lockdown can last much longer. My sister lives in an estate in London and the atmosphere there is seething at the moment. There’s supposed to be warm weather forecast on Sunday so it wouldn’t surprise me if there will be widespread flouting of the rules this weekend.
I don't need to read about it. I can look out of the window. Various kids playing in the street. And the druggie house a few doors up still seems to be doing good business.
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There has been no change to the allowance, has there?
Bletchleyite
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This is an exceptional situation and it isn't about preference, therefore if you *could* use online banking you should.
Regarding the post, it's easy to use the website to check prices and print postage, weigh on your kitchen scales and use a ruler/tape measure.
Bletchleyite
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No, but Police Forces have been given a bit more guidance on what is enforceable and what is not.
Nonetheless I do support the "what are you doing here" leafletting campaign, it should just be phrased as advice, not law. E.g. "What are you doing here? Your choice to drive here could mean you're unlucky enough to have an accident - and maybe there won't be a bed for you in hospital if a coronavirus patient has it?"
I'm wondering which way London is going to burn - with fever or in a riot. Hopefully not a riot, but it would not surprise me in the least. And no, I don't have any ^specific intelligence^ - I'm just taking an educated guess. Not least because Britain has always had relatively few police officers; even in 2010 our police-per-capita level was half compared to France/Spain/Italy/etc.
This song (or at least its title) seems an appropriate description of what is likely to happen:
I can pretty much guarantee that if this lockdown continues there will be major unrest in parts of London. Possibly bigger than the 2011 riots. All it takes is something minor, someone getting a face full of PAVA spray for example and it will all kick off. There’s simply not enough police, even if they call in the army parts of London will be lost, maybe for days...
Bantamzen
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I don't doubt any of this. Currently the media is still trying hard to present this stiff-upper lip, in-it-together image, with constant vlogs from media personalities telling us how they are coping & keeping positive. Meanwhile out in the real world people are starting to struggle, many are starting to feel the financial pinch, with central & local government services stretched beyond breaking point.
I'm relatively lucky, I live in a modestly affluent area on the outskirts of Bradford were most people are still reasonably comfortable with the current lockdown. So the area is quiet, the queues outside the main supermarkets are still disciplined and calm. But even here, voices of dissent are starting to grow. Meanwhile hearing from friends in the more urban areas, as @Thomas31 alludes to, there is a growing atmosphere of discontent. Businesses are suffering, people are starting to grow angry & sadly gangs are starting to gain more of a foothold. Its probably nowhere near as bad as it will be in London, but the elements for civil unrest are starting to come together.
Unfortunately, loyalty is considered more important than ability these days!
trainophile
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A lot of places have switched to free parking for key workers, especially many hospitals. Also with reduced rail services and quieter roads you can't blame people using their cars.
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But, with one exception, there is no outright ban on using cars.
The overriding principle is to limit travelling to try and limit the spread of the virus - so your journey must be necessary
Principle reasons are - essential shopping (food/medication), to work (if unable to do so by other means), care of horses/livestock
The one that is proving most contentious is that you are not permitted to drive at all in connection with exersise
Bletchleyite
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This is factually incorrect.
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And can be got around anyway by people driving to the shops and stopping on their way back for a stroll!
Meanwhile, am I allowed to visit mum and dad's grave?
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