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DTC had been funded by a loan from the main shareholder, Darlington Borough Council, who then put DTC up for sale. We all know what then happened in that Yorkshire Traction trumped Stagecoach's bid so Stagecoach flooded the town with free buses drafted in from across their empire, duplicated the registrations by literally using the same paperwork but subtly amended, and poached the vast majority of DTC's drivers with the business turning turtle about three days later. In that environment, Your Bus quickly sold out to North East Bus aka United (by now owned by West Midlands Travel)

Interesting stuff, but raises a few questions (that I hadn't considered before).

1. Was this before/after Stagecoach took over Busways and the Middlesbrough operations (forgive me, I can't remember the name of the pre-Stagecoach name for that opreation)? I remember the huge fuss made at the time but assumed that Stagecoach must have had large nearby operations in order to consider flooding the town - in hindsight, Darlington isn't that large a place and wasn't exactly surrounded by Stagecoach operations, so seems a slightly strange place for them to throw so many resources as (but, I type this as an outsider). I mean, I could understand the way that they took Perth (in the Perth Panther days), given that this was the home of Stagecoach etc etc (and could have understood it if they'd tried hard to win market share in some big cities), but Darlington seems a fairly small "prize" to warrant that level of bus war (IMHO).
2. United was owned by West Midlands Travel? Didn't realise. The whole history of United confuses me (e.g. the way that it was the NBC's operations in the north east of England but with a large gap in Tyne & Wear, so all the way from Berwick to Scarborough but Go Ahead was separate to it)… and you're saying that United was part of West Yorkshire, then became separate (but ended up as part of the same organisation under British Bus/ Arriva)? Genuinely curious as this area/time is a bit of a blind spot for me.
 
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If I remember correctly, the Birkenhead operation used a similar blue livery to the old Birkenhead Corporation, presumably an attempt to take advantage of passengers' nostalgia. Another memory is that GM Buses managed to spell "Fazakerley" incorrectly on their destination blinds - cue much merriment in the Liverpool Echo.

One sad side-effect of the gentleman's agreement was that the number 34 Liverpool-Manchester express bus, which pre-dated the bus war and had operated for many years, was withdrawn.

The 34 wasn't withdrawn, it was split at Leigh with MTL operating Leigh-Liverpool, GM Buses Leigh-Manchester, MTL, eventually cut it to St Helens-Leigh

320 was another casualty, once Wigan-Liverpool, North Western took over the operation but St Helens-Wigan.
 

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Interesting stuff, but raises a few questions (that I hadn't considered before).

1. Was this before/after Stagecoach took over Busways and the Middlesbrough operations (forgive me, I can't remember the name of the pre-Stagecoach name for that opreation)? I remember the huge fuss made at the time but assumed that Stagecoach must have had large nearby operations in order to consider flooding the town - in hindsight, Darlington isn't that large a place and wasn't exactly surrounded by Stagecoach operations, so seems a slightly strange place for them to throw so many resources as (but, I type this as an outsider). I mean, I could understand the way that they took Perth (in the Perth Panther days), given that this was the home of Stagecoach etc etc (and could have understood it if they'd tried hard to win market share in some big cities), but Darlington seems a fairly small "prize" to warrant that level of bus war (IMHO).
2. United was owned by West Midlands Travel? Didn't realise. The whole history of United confuses me (e.g. the way that it was the NBC's operations in the north east of England but with a large gap in Tyne & Wear, so all the way from Berwick to Scarborough but Go Ahead was separate to it)… and you're saying that United was part of West Yorkshire, then became separate (but ended up as part of the same organisation under British Bus/ Arriva)? Genuinely curious as this area/time is a bit of a blind spot for me.

1. Stagecoach decided to go on a spending spree in the North East and bought Busways Travel Services in mid 1994, which was the subsidiary that was used to go into Darlington with the free buses. At the same time, they were already in negotiations (though no one knew) with both Hartlepool Transport AND Cleveland Transit. Those sales were concluded in the week or so after the Darlington collapse so it was clear that Stagecoach were pursuing a policy of trying to sew up the main North East conurbations.

2. Caldaire Holdings were the parent of West Riding and Yorkshire Woollen and bought United in Dec 1987. They then created Tees out of the Teesside and Whitby ops of United in early 1990, and then purchased TMS with the Teesside ops based on Stockton depot in 1991. In 1992/3, the four directors split up Caldaire with the NE operations going to two directors to form Westcourt Group who then ordered large numbers of Vectas, Deltas and a few Olympians and Metroriders.

They then received an offer from West Midlands Travel in 1994 who were busy looking to buy up different firms to expand their base, buying County Bus in Essex who also owned Citibus in Manchester. The only fleet changes in that time were a single Metrobus to demonstrate guided busways and a number of knackered old Nationals to replace the TMS LHs. However, NatEx decided to buy/merge with WMT. They sold off the non West Mids stuff so the Essex and North East stuff was sold to Cowie Group PRIOR to them buying British Bus and then forming Arriva.
 

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Was there not a bus war in Scotland which ended up in a rival setting fire to a Stagecoach depot?
I wasn't aware of the incident with ScotBus, but it's by no means the first example of ill-feeling between rival operators in Inverness.

Firstly there was the introduction of the original Inverness Traction (formed by a group of former Highland drivers, I believe). I recall the radio phone-ins at the time where people were praising IT for operating on a hail-and-ride basis in certain parts of the town, and managing to reach parts that Highland couldn't. Their fleet was a mish-mash of Transit and Sherpa derived minibuses.

Things seemed to settle for a while, then IT got into trouble. They were rescued by Aberdeen-based Alexanders (North East) which also got into difficulties. At that point Stagecoach took over the Inverness operations, and around the time of Highland's privatisation they launched their bid to become the dominant operator. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I think about 60-70 vehicles were shipped in, as well as new vehicles diverted from other operators. Some drivers were recruited from Highland, but I would imagine that they'd also have brought in drivers from elsewhere.

It was an interesting time for me, certainly. ECW Leopards from Cumberland and a few 12m Duple Leopards from Ribble regularly made an appearance on my school run as vehicles were shuffled around between depots.

Stagecoach made no secret of the fact that they were after Highland (I saw something mentioned in their "On-Stage" magazine), but because they'd already purchased two former-SBG companies they weren't permitted to bid for any more. Fast forward a few years and this is exactly what happened.
 

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Omnibus set up shop in Nottingham for a couple of years in the early 90s too: http://www.bcv.robsly.com/nottomni.html

They have been, to date, the only serious challenge NCT have faced. Other lesser challenges came from Bellamys who tried running the Arnold route with Routemasters for a few months and Premiere who took on the Woodborough Road services by forcing multiple tendered services together as the Red7.
It is often overlooked that Barton competed with NCT on the Edwalton route in retaliation to NCT setting up operations into Barton territory (Cotgrave, Keyworth, Ruddington and Toton as well as Chilwell) and diverted services through West Bridgford town centre, the latter is still carried on. Other Barton competing services went along Steinton Dale and St Anns Well Road.

Elsewhere and more recently have been the bus wars between Transdev and Harrogate Coach Travel aka Connexions most notably between Harrogate and Wetherby where the Transdevs long standing half hourly route through Follifoot had a competing HCT route direct along the A661 timed 5 minutes in front. Transdev responded with its own direct service 5 minutes in front of HCT. The outcome was inevitable, Transdev gave up commercially the Follifoot service and it has since then had to funded by the taxpayer while the two operators finally agreed on a 15 minute interval (with some exceptions at times). Irony today is that the Follifoot service is operated by HCT and because of the often lengthy delays on the A661 they have changed the registration of their direct service to operate via Follifoot as necessary. Passengers do benefit as fares between the two towns are low in comparison to other journeys but once you go beyond Wetherby either on the Transdev service to Leeds the long way round or on the HCT service to York the fares rocket.
 

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Cardiff bus got into trouble for their bus war with 2travel with the collapse of 2travel often being put at Cardiff buses door

Of course the owners of 2travel now run South Wales Transport in Port Talbot Neath Swansea and Gorseinon. At the moment they are even leaning buses to first cymru and have extended their 202 service to Port Tslbot to replace first cymrus 86 Port Talbot to Beath service.

Cardiff bus are having to be careful as they know Vosa etc are watching they with their bus war with Adventure Travel formerly nat
 

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If I remember correctly, the Birkenhead operation used a similar blue livery to the old Birkenhead Corporation, presumably an attempt to take advantage of passengers' nostalgia. Another memory is that GM Buses managed to spell "Fazakerley" incorrectly on their destination blinds - cue much merriment in the Liverpool Echo.

One sad side-effect of the gentleman's agreement was that the number 34 Liverpool-Manchester express bus, which pre-dated the bus war and had operated for many years, was withdrawn.

If I remember correctly, the retaliation came after GM Buses had been split into GM North and GM South and both companies being sold to an employee management buy out. The Birkenhead operation being set up by GMS using the old Birkenhead Corporation colours & the Bootle operation by GMN using a variant of the livery they used after the split.
 

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It is often overlooked that Barton competed with NCT on the Edwalton route in retaliation to NCT setting up operations into Barton territory (Cotgrave, Keyworth, Ruddington and Toton as well as Chilwell) and diverted services through West Bridgford town centre, the latter is still carried on. Other Barton competing services went along Steinton Dale and St Anns Well Road.

That's interesting, I didn't know that at all. I'm guessing Wellglade binned most of that off? Certainly I can't remember any Barton buses along the Wells Road (I'm 'only' 30 though...). In fact the only Wellglade operation this side of town was the subsidised Barton/Notts+Derby 7 service to Lambley and Calverton, which subsequently passed through Dunn Line/Veolia, Premiere (who massively stepped up the operation, credit to them) and NCT, who I believe run the service commercially as the 'Sky Blue' 46/47.

Was NCT's interest in Cotgrave and Keyworth a result of the South Notts acquisition?

Also, and I'll have to dig it out to be sure, but I believe NCT had some part to play in the buyout of Stevensons of Uttoxeter. Does anyone have the full details on what went on?
 

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That's interesting, I didn't know that at all. I'm guessing Wellglade binned most of that off? Certainly I can't remember any Barton buses along the Wells Road (I'm 'only' 30 though...). In fact the only Wellglade operation this side of town was the subsidised Barton/Notts+Derby 7 service to Lambley and Calverton, which subsequently passed through Dunn Line/Veolia, Premiere (who massively stepped up the operation, credit to them) and NCT, who I believe run the service commercially as the 'Sky Blue' 46/47.

Was NCT's interest in Cotgrave and Keyworth a result of the South Notts acquisition?

Also, and I'll have to dig it out to be sure, but I believe NCT had some part to play in the buyout of Stevensons of Uttoxeter. Does anyone have the full details on what went on?
Barton certainly extended the Ruddington service to St Anns. This was all before NCT acquired South Notts (17-4-91); NCT acquired Stevensons Ilkeston based operations on 14-11-88.
 

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Wirral has had a couple of bus wars outside GM Buses/Merseybus war, both involving the main operators, early 1988 Goldstar buses of St Asaph, trading as Busman Buses registered routes on the Wirral, Crosville then Merseybus registered routes covering Busman Buses routes, Crosville were particularly predatory to Busman Buses, Crosville & Merseybus then started registering each others routee, this doesn't last long, Busman Buses pulled out after 6 months, Crosville & Merseybus came to an agreement which saw some routes permanently transferred to the other operator

Again in 2006, Arriva & First had another short lived bus war, before they withdrew services
 

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Barton certainly extended the Ruddington service to St Anns. This was all before NCT acquired South Notts (17-4-91); NCT acquired Stevensons Ilkeston based operations on 14-11-88.
That's really interesting - did Stevensons encroach on NCT in some way or was that a speculative purchase which didn't amount to much?

I'd love to see a route map from around this time.
 

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That's really interesting - did Stevensons encroach on NCT in some way or was that a speculative purchase which didn't amount to much?
Sort of goes back to 1982 when Erewash Travel were granted a service from Stapleford via Beeston and the QMC to Eastwood which had been opposed by Barton, NCT and Trent. ET licences were revoked in 1985 and Barton operated their services briefly before Stevensons took on the former Erewash business. NCT operated the services as Erewash Valley.
 

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I lived in Nottingham 1992-1996, so saw Nottingham Omnibus but missed most of the excitement of bus wars round there. One thing that always struck me as odd was the number of operators of the 331 service - a fairly low frequency service with trips run by NCT, Dunns, Trent (and others?). Was that something left over after a bus war?
 

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I lived in Nottingham 1992-1996, so saw Nottingham Omnibus but missed most of the excitement of bus wars round there. One thing that always struck me as odd was the number of operators of the 331 service - a fairly low frequency service with trips run by NCT, Dunns, Trent (and others?). Was that something left over after a bus war?
Was Rainbow One to Heanlr the 331? If I'm wrong then I will be embarrassed as I have been living 15 years in Nottingham now :oops::lol:
 

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Was Rainbow One to Heanlr the 331? If I'm wrong then I will be embarrassed as I have been living 15 years in Nottingham now :oops::lol:
The 231 was the Heanor R1 service, 2ph continuing to Ripley.
The 331 was the direct route to Alfreton via Watnall and Moorgreen.
The 332 and 333 via Eastwood to Alfreton and became part of Rainbow1
Eventually the 331 became a county council tender, explaining the various operators.
Evening 332/333 services in the early 90’s tendered to Skills coaches.
 

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The 231 was the Heanor R1 service, 2ph continuing to Ripley.
The 331 was the direct route to Alfreton via Watnall and Moorgreen.
The 332 and 333 via Eastwood to Alfreton and became part of Rainbow1
Eventually the 331 became a county council tender, explaining the various operators.
Evening 332/333 services in the early 90’s tendered to Skills coaches.
thank you 8-)
 

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There was a smaller bus war between OK Motor Services and Go Ahead Northern in 1993. As I remember it, Go Ahead wanted to buy OK Travel as did Northumbria but the Emerson family declined the offers while OK were expanding their operations across the Tyne valley, acquired a depot in Team Valley replacing the Heaton base and were poaching Go Gatesheads routes. In retaliation northern set up their “Way Ahead Service” (because it was more than OK) 124, which duplicated OKs 724 Bishop Auckland-Newcastle service and extended it to West Auckland, and 182, in direct competition of OKs 82 from Bishop Auckland also to West Auckland and was essentially a town runabout to several housing estates on the route. K and L registered Optare Dennis Lance and MCW metro riders were the vehicles used which compared to OKs ageing, motley (but well maintained) fleet of dual purpose Duple DAF MB230, Leyland leopard and tiger coaches, fleetlines and atlanteans keeping the new Palatine 1 Olympians on the flagship 724 and the SB220s on the Tyneside work.
From my experience the fares were slightly cheaper and theoretically better timed for getting me in to college as I commuted on the 724 usually. However the 724 retained clippies, Go Gateshead just couldn’t keep to the tighter timings they claimed to offer and regularly pined the 124 at Bishop Auckland transferring people on to the 182. Plus the distance vehicles had to travel to start and operate the service meant breakdowns took considerable time to deal with. Reliability of the services suffered as a result and I found myself reverting to using the 724. I also recall OKs fleet of Olympians were faster than the Lances operated by Gateshead, and they took full advantage of the dual carriageway sections of the A167!
The competition lasted about 3 months from what I can remember, eventually the 124 and 182 routes were axed while OK withdrew its duplicated Tyneside routes. Other deals behind the doors were made that eventually lead to Emerson making a first refusal offer to Go Ahead should the family ever sell up. This was to happen just a couple of years later in 1995, initially as a subsidiary retaining the OK Travel brand but eventually the brand was absorbed and Bishop Auckland depot was closed with local services transferring to Arriva while the 724 transferred to Chester Le Street depot and is now operated as the X21

Disclaimer:- this is based on what I can recall from memory as a 17 year old drama student, I am certain staff employed by OK Travel, or GoNE or full time bus cranks (including the owners of former OK vehicles LFT 5X and F106 UEF) can give more accurate details at to exactly what went on and why......
 

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Sheffield had two periods. The first five years of de-regulation had lots of "breadvans" and other second hand vehicles pressed into service on random routes by any old cowboy - similar to many large cities - but SYT (South Yorkshire Transport - later Mainline, now First) bought a number of them and things calmed down.

But nature abhors a vacuum, and competition came back (just as SYT were going through a court case for abusing their monopoly position). The "worst" era was around 1993/1994/1995 when Sheffield Omnibus competed on pretty much every route they could - it's ridiculous nowadays when you look back and remember that there was an Omnibus service every ten minutes competing with a Mainline service every ten/fifteen minutes on corridors that now only have one bus per hour in total (e.g. the 93/94 from the city centre to Meadowhall via Grimesthorpe, the 17/18 from the city centre to Fox Hill via Hillsborough, the 1/11/21/57/66/67 from the city centre to Stocksbridge via Hillsborough).

Omnibus even ran competing evening services on the 52 (where Yorkshire Terrier were the "daytime" competition to Mainline) - I know that some "newcomers" provide an all-day service when competing with an established operator but I'm not aware of any examples of a "newcomer" providing a commercial evening service in competition with an established operator when that "newcomer" don't even provide the daytime service.

Omnibus had the clever tactic of buying lots of redundant double deckers from Preston, which were coincidently in the traditional navy/cream colours of old Sheffield buses - they were pretty good at identifying gaps in the Mainline network (and sections of route where the incumbent operator went a bit round the houses rather than running direct, or where Mainline served the quieter side of the city centre around the Interchange so Omnibus could run up High Street and be a lot more convenient for passengers).

In those days, the *weekly* ticket price went down to two quid at one point (not single ticket, not daily ticket, I'm talking seven days of travel!), as the two operators fought tooth and nail (the Mainline ticket - I think it was called "red saver" - was only valid on the generally north-south corridor that Omnibus operated on - but still very generous if you lived on those sides of town). There were duplicates, there were unregistered services, there were often spare buses sat at places like Lane Top waiting for the "other" operator's bus to turn up so that they could ensure that they were first to the lucrative stops ahead (e.g. Firth Park, in that example).

Whilst there were other independent operators in Sheffield, nothing got as bad as the Omnibus/Mainline days (most of the post 1990 ones stuck to certain key corridors - e.g. the two main east-west Stagecoach routes - the 52 and 120 - have been operated by their predecessors for thirty years now). Eventually, Omnibus was bought by Yorkshire Traction, along with Andrews, Yorkshire Terrier and South Riding and things became fairly stable - a "death of a thousand cuts" as Tracky tried to rationalise the assortment of routes they'd inherited (culminating in the "Lowedges to Wath via High Green" service 72!) and focus on a few corridors. Also, by the mid '90s, the new-fangled Supertram was taking a huge chunk out of some key corridors, so the days of "bus competition" were replaced by "bus survival", as operators tried to keep viable services.

Wish I'd had a digital camera back then - there were some horribly congested bus stops, superannuated "sheds", mayhem... If I were younger today, I don't think that I'd have got as interested in buses - so bland in comparison.

Funny thing is there's a more detailed lowdown of the Sheffield bus wars in the 1997 buses yearbook, of which i still have a copy of.
 

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There was a smaller bus war between OK Motor Services and Go Ahead Northern in 1993. As I remember it, Go Ahead wanted to buy OK Travel as did Northumbria but the Emerson family declined the offers while OK were expanding their operations across the Tyne valley, acquired a depot in Team Valley replacing the Heaton base and were poaching Go Gatesheads routes. In retaliation northern set up their “Way Ahead Service” (because it was more than OK) 124, which duplicated OKs 724 Bishop Auckland-Newcastle service and extended it to West Auckland, and 182, in direct competition of OKs 82 from Bishop Auckland also to West Auckland and was essentially a town runabout to several housing estates on the route. K and L registered Optare Dennis Lance and MCW metro riders were the vehicles used which compared to OKs ageing, motley (but well maintained) fleet of dual purpose Duple DAF MB230, Leyland leopard and tiger coaches, fleetlines and atlanteans keeping the new Palatine 1 Olympians on the flagship 724 and the SB220s on the Tyneside work.
From my experience the fares were slightly cheaper and theoretically better timed for getting me in to college as I commuted on the 724 usually. However the 724 retained clippies, Go Gateshead just couldn’t keep to the tighter timings they claimed to offer and regularly pined the 124 at Bishop Auckland transferring people on to the 182. Plus the distance vehicles had to travel to start and operate the service meant breakdowns took considerable time to deal with. Reliability of the services suffered as a result and I found myself reverting to using the 724. I also recall OKs fleet of Olympians were faster than the Lances operated by Gateshead, and they took full advantage of the dual carriageway sections of the A167!
The competition lasted about 3 months from what I can remember, eventually the 124 and 182 routes were axed while OK withdrew its duplicated Tyneside routes. Other deals behind the doors were made that eventually lead to Emerson making a first refusal offer to Go Ahead should the family ever sell up. This was to happen just a couple of years later in 1995, initially as a subsidiary retaining the OK Travel brand but eventually the brand was absorbed and Bishop Auckland depot was closed with local services transferring to Arriva while the 724 transferred to Chester Le Street depot and is now operated as the X21

Disclaimer:- this is based on what I can recall from memory as a 17 year old drama student, I am certain staff employed by OK Travel, or GoNE or full time bus cranks (including the owners of former OK vehicles LFT 5X and F106 UEF) can give more accurate details at to exactly what went on and why......

That's a pretty fair summary of it. They also had a depot at Peterlee (that had replaced Shotton Colliery) that did much of the stuff around Chester le Street and Sunderland but even did Teesside tenders.

There was also the issue that Wade Emmerson had specific views on not selling out to United IIRC. The main problem with OK is that they really overstretched themselves in terms of taking on a lot of tendered and marginal work using (as you say) some pretty mature fleet. They had a penchant of ex South Wales Leopards (mainly ex National Welsh and Rhymney Valley) and some fairly peachy Atlanteans that were fast approaching their end. They did go and buy a fair number of B6s and Merc 709s in 1993/4 but the business was beginning to fail so they sold out.

Esteemed academic and transport writer David Holding did a very good book on OK.
 

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I feel like I'm one of the only ones who's not seen some kind of bus war in their area. Glasgow hasn't really got many battles anywhere tbh. There's some services that operate in the same areas as First but it's mostly First buses. Mcgills run a few in Glasgow, Stagecoach run a few but mostly express buses to well out of the city, Avondale have 4 services but just outside of Glasgow in Clydebank(200 and 400 being the only 2 that run into Glasgow in Drumchapel) and then West Coast Motors only have 2 services that really follow parts of First bus routes. I'm only 25 though so still plenty of years for a bus war to appear
 

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Warrington had an interesting time too..

http://www.mywarrington.me.uk/on_the_buses.htm

Warrington was an interesting one as it was a rare example of a municipal fighting back against the big corporate company and eventually forcing them out of town. At one stage, practically every route in Warrington had competing services from North Western or MTL (as Lancashire Travel). This led Warrington Borough Transport to duplicate North Westerns services to far flung places like Wigan, Chester, Liverpool and St Helens. WBT was obviously in a better financial position than other municipals had been when faced with this sort of onslaught, and managed to ride the storm out.
 

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On Darlington, I was up there a couple of times, firstly just after United introduced the 'Road Rangers' all over town. I had relatives who lived on the route of the new Road Ranger service via Broadway to Red Hall, so for them it was perfect. I remember DCT ran ads promoting their bigger buses as a way to avoid the 'small van jam'. Even then though, the town centre was packed with buses particularly on Prebend Row. I was back there a few years later just as Your Bus started running on a few routes and it was no surprise to see the war re-escalate.
 

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OK using (as you say) a pretty mature fleet. some fairly peachy Atlanteans that were fast approaching their end.

I remember one atlantean if you were sat on the lower deck back row the back rest attached to the bodywork moved with the body, some of the bumps and cambers at the lower end of Bishop Auckland Bus Station you really felt the body flex and tilt. Never sampled it on the top deck, didn't dare....


They did go and buy a fair number of B6s

I recall these were M registration, Alexander’s I think. They certainly looked a lot smarter but weren’t particularly reliable or popular with drivers and Go Ahead soon got shot of them.
 

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I remember one atlantean if you were sat on the lower deck back row the back rest attached to the bodywork moved with the body, some of the bumps and cambers at the lower end of Bishop Auckland Bus Station you really felt the body flex and tilt. Never sampled it on the top deck, didn't dare....

I recall these were M registration, Alexander’s I think. They certainly looked a lot smarter but weren’t particularly reliable or popular with drivers and Go Ahead soon got shot of them.

They had three batches, one L reg (with Plaxton bodies) and then two with Alexander Dash bodies, L and M reg. The earlier ones mainly went to Team Valley and to Peterlee to meet the tender spec for TWPTE. If you're from round Bishop, it's the M regs that you'd most likely remember. They lasted a little longer than you think - many up until 2004/5.
They also had a batch of Alexander Merc 709s that were new in 1994 and they were sold by Go Ahead in 1998!

They were other sporadic bus wars in that part of Co Durham.
  • At deregulation, some scabby firm (something like Burtenshaws?) ran from Bishop to Woodhouse Close but then went by early 1987.
  • Eden had decided to run (with DTC) from Newton Aycliffe to Darlington by extending their 91/92, so United responded by extending their 4/4A from Shildon to Newton Aycliffe which really continued until Eden sold to United in 1994
  • Gardiners decided to compete on the Bishop to Durham service c.1989/90 with some really peculiar Iveco/Caetano Viana midibuses so United upped the frequency, put an express on, and then decided to compete on the Spenny town service with a repainted LH that even got coach seats out of a withdrawn Leopard https://www.flickr.com/photos/tcd481j/36294497686/in/photolist-XidMFu
  • Also seem to recall a bus war between Bond Bros and Go Ahead Northern but I was out of the area by then
 

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Newport Transport is another municipal which has fought off competition from commercial competitors.

New Adventure Travel (then independent but now part of ComfortDelGro) won the schools contract from NT and established a depot in the city. From this base they launched services to the main suburbs and the out of town retail park. NT responded by upping their frequencies and there must have been 12 buses an hour on the core parts of the routes.

NT won the schools contract back a couple of years later and NAT started to pull out and closed their depot. Rather than run empty from Cardiff they started to compete with NT and Cardiff Bus for traffic between the two cities. That obviously wasn't profitable as they have given notice of cancellation and all that remains is a peak time service in their emergency timetable.


The other competitor was CityFox, owned by Rhys Hand. They ran a service to the large Council estate of Bettws for a few months. It ended abruptly when the leasing company repossessed the buses.
 

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Newport Transport is another municipal which has fought off competition from commercial competitors.

New Adventure Travel (then independent but now part of ComfortDelGro) won the schools contract from NT and established a depot in the city. From this base they launched services to the main suburbs and the out of town retail park. NT responded by upping their frequencies and there must have been 12 buses an hour on the core parts of the routes.

NT won the schools contract back a couple of years later and NAT started to pull out and closed their depot. Rather than run empty from Cardiff they started to compete with NT and Cardiff Bus for traffic between the two cities. That obviously wasn't profitable as they have given notice of cancellation and all that remains is a peak time service in their emergency timetable.


The other competitor was CityFox, owned by Rhys Hand. They ran a service to the large Council estate of Bettws for a few months. It ended abruptly when the leasing company repossessed the buses.

Ah yes, the Cityfox saga. Isn't some of the Volvo's they had now with Go Ahead?
 

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I feel like I'm one of the only ones who's not seen some kind of bus war in their area. Glasgow hasn't really got many battles anywhere tbh. There's some services that operate in the same areas as First but it's mostly First buses. Mcgills run a few in Glasgow, Stagecoach run a few but mostly express buses to well out of the city, Avondale have 4 services but just outside of Glasgow in Clydebank(200 and 400 being the only 2 that run into Glasgow in Drumchapel) and then West Coast Motors only have 2 services that really follow parts of First bus routes. I'm only 25 though so still plenty of years for a bus war to appear

Glasgow has certainly seen its fair share of bus wars over the years. Most operators usually pick a route or two to compete - for example City Sprinter competed on the 38 between Glasgow City Centre & Eastwood Toll until 2015.

However, there have been far larger wars. Stagecoach have at least two attempts the to gain more of the Glasgow market, with varying levels of success - including the first use of the Magicbus name back in the late 1980s. This first Magicbus operation was bought by Kelvin Central Buses back in the early 1990s.

Which neatly leads onto the daddy of them all... 1986. This had the quite ludicrous situation of Kelvin Scottish, Cyldeside Scottish & Central Scottish (all still part of the Scottish Bus Group and as such owned by the state) competing against Strathclyde Buses (owned by Strathclyde PTE - a part of Strathclyde Regional Council and such a local government organisation) in Glasgow. At its worst the number of buses used caused gridlock in central Glasgow.

I've only tried to summarize and I'm sure that others with far more knowledge will correct me on anything I've missed or got wrong.
 

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There was also Caledonia Buses in Glasgow who ran on the 5, 44, 56, 66 and 75 and various times across their lifespan. McKindless also ran on the 62 City to Faifley and 75 Milton to Kennishead, dropping the kennishead section. Sure the 62 was extended to Parkhead via Duke street iirc.
 

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There was also Caledonia Buses in Glasgow who ran on the 5, 44, 56, 66 and 75 and various times across their lifespan. McKindless also ran on the 62 City to Faifley and 75 Milton to Kennishead, dropping the kennishead section. Sure the 62 was extended to Parkhead via Duke street iirc.

Yeah those Mckindless 62s were certainly handy if I wanted to get anywhere quick. I remember one time getting from Scotstoun to the old Western Infirmary in 8 mins because of the speed the driver was going at lol
 
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