Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

Harvey B · 3 Apr 2020

Murray J said:
railcam reports the units heading for storage at KWVR are 144001, 012, 014, 017 and 020 on the neville hill and holbeck moves, the hull move hasn't departed yet.

Im surprised that 144011 didn't go down

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Neptune · 3 Apr 2020

Harvey B said:
Im surprised that 144011 didn't go down

Read the last few posts. It is there now.

Plymdan · 3 Apr 2020

With the 142's now stood down are some of them moving onto their preserved railways yet? I understand lockdown means less movement.

Mack91 · 3 Apr 2020

I'm not sure how many of the 144s are still out at the minute, I'm guessing not many. However can say that 144004 is working the Sheffield - Huddersfield service at present.

144022 is working the reverse service.

Harvey B · 3 Apr 2020

Neptune said:
Read the last few posts. It is there now.

Cheers I am blind as hell. Before anyone No im not actually blind but you could call me blind for missing that

Harvey B · 3 Apr 2020

How come the 144s have been preserved? Is it because of the current timetable/current conditions due to COVID-19

61653 HTAFC · 3 Apr 2020

Harvey B said:
How come the 144s have been preserved? Is it because of the current timetable/current conditions due to COVID-19

I assume you mean stored rather than preserved, but yes- reduced service levels mean not as many are required to run the emergency timetable.

Harvey B · 3 Apr 2020

61653 HTAFC said:
I assume you mean stored rather than preserved, but yes- reduced service levels mean not as many are required to run the emergency timetable.

You do have a point

adh144004 · 3 Apr 2020

Anonymous10 said:
If they do return to service it might just be left there

The latest post on the KWVR Facebook page seemed to suggest this last night along with a photo of the unit in it's future home.
The post was then edited to clarify that this particular visit is temporary, suggesting they expect it to return to service before it's eventual residency.

43096 · 3 Apr 2020

adh144004 said:
The latest post on the KWVR Facebook page seemed to suggest this last night along with a photo of the unit in it's future home.
The post was then edited to clarify that this particular visit is temporary, suggesting they expect it to return to service before it's eventual residency.

The units are still on lease to Northern and will therefore have to be formally handed back to Porterbrook at the end of the lease. Normally that means some time on depot for handback inspections.

Harvey B · 3 Apr 2020

43096 said:
The units are still on lease to Northern and will therefore have to be formally handed back to Porterbrook at the end of the lease. Normally that means some time on depot for handback inspections.

So there goes the hopes of having 144011 in service on either triangle services or Leeds to Lancaster services all day on its last day and then having it run empty to keighley

Mack91 · 3 Apr 2020

Three two-car 144s have just passed Elsecar (Barnsley) heading north, the rear unit being 144005. I would assume these are bound for Keighley.

Barnsley · 3 Apr 2020

Mack91 said:
Three two-car 144s have just passed Elsecar (Barnsley) heading north, the rear unit being 144005. I would assume these are bound for Keighley.

They are, running as 5G04, approaching Engine Shed Junction at Leeds now, unit numbers are not in Trust though

_toommm_ · 3 Apr 2020

Mack91 said:
Three two-car 144s have just passed Elsecar (Barnsley) heading north, the rear unit being 144005. I would assume these are bound for Keighley.

Indeed:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/10587/2020-04-03/detailed

Wharfe106 · 3 Apr 2020

and seemingly another from Neville Hill to KWVR this evening

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/10708/2020-04-03/detailed

northernchris · 3 Apr 2020

Mack91 said:
Three two-car 144s have just passed Elsecar (Barnsley) heading north, the rear unit being 144005. I would assume these are bound for Keighley.

144004 and 144009 are the other 2

61653 HTAFC · 3 Apr 2020

Harvey B said:
So there goes the hopes of having 144011 in service on either triangle services or Leeds to Lancaster services all day on its last day and then having it run empty to keighley

The post you replied to would not rule that out (although neither triangle nor Lancaster services are covered by the derogation so if it did run those services it would have to be in multiple with a PRMed 15x).

If it is still stored there once Northern know that they won't need it in service again, it seems a waste to move it back to Neville Hill just to decommission it and then send it back to the KWVR. If it's possible to perform any "handback" inspection needed on site, it would make sense to do so.

Neptune · 3 Apr 2020

Harvey B said:
So there goes the hopes of having 144011 in service on either triangle services or Leeds to Lancaster services all day on its last day and then having it run empty to keighley

It couldn’t happen anyway as those routes aren’t on the list of derogated routes they can run on.

northernchris · 3 Apr 2020

Wharfe106 said:
and seemingly another from Neville Hill to KWVR this evening

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/10708/2020-04-03/detailed

144002+144006 are working this

yorksrob · 3 Apr 2020

Neptune said:
It couldn’t happen anyway as those routes aren’t on the list of derogated routes they can run on.

I wouldn't mind a farewell 144 railtour over the route one day. Eventually.

Mack91 · 3 Apr 2020

northernchris said:
144004 and 144009 are the other 2

Thanks

How many 144s are at Keighley now? It must be close to the entire class

Solent&Wessex · 3 Apr 2020

Mack91 said:
Thanks

How many 144s are at Keighley now? It must be close to the entire class

There are 16 out of 23 units at Keighley - all except 008, 015, 018, 019, 021, 022 and 023 are now at Keighley.

019 and 022 are expected to arrive tomorrow, which means 18 out of 23 at Keighley and just leaves the remaining 5 in store at Heaton.

Harvey B · 3 Apr 2020

Neptune said:
It couldn’t happen anyway as those routes aren’t on the list of derogated routes they can run on.

Im sorry to burst your bubble here but I don't see that as a valid reason to not to run it on one of those diagrams on its last day because as @61653 HTAFC said It could if connected up to a PRMed 15x. (If you want to know more please go to https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/diagrams-for-144011-last-day-under-northern-operation-before-it-goes-to-k-wvr.202112/ )
But it wouldn't work anyway not because of that but more because it would have to go to either NL or Holbeck for 1 to 2 days for a handback inspection (which I didn't know was even a thing until today)

Harvey B · 3 Apr 2020

61653 HTAFC said:
The post you replied to would not rule that out (although neither triangle nor Lancaster services are covered by the derogation so if it did run those services it would have to be in multiple with a PRMed 15x).

If it is still stored there once Northern know that they won't need it in service again, it seems a waste to move it back to Neville Hill just to decommission it and then send it back to the KWVR. If it's possible to perform any "handback" inspection needed on site, it would make sense to do so.

First of all it would rule it out either way because I didn't know that an off lease train had to go back to depot for a handback inspection after its last day with a TOC. My idea was to have it decouple from a 15x at Keighley to then take it to oxenhope empty but now that I know it needs a handback inspection (likely in a National Rail depot) I see no chances of it ever happening now.

While we're talking about 144011, it was originally due to transfer from Northern to KWVR in May so if it doesn't run again before the transfer date then Yes I agree it should have its handback checks at Keighley or Oxenhope (or where ever the rest of KWVR's trains are stored) but If not, I think Northern and Porterbook would want to do the handback checks at either Neville Hill or Holbeck

Mack91 · 3 Apr 2020

Solent&Wessex said:
There are 16 out of 23 units at Keighley - all except 008, 015, 018, 019, 021, 022 and 023 are now at Keighley.

019 and 022 are expected to arrive tomorrow, which means 18 out of 23 at Keighley and just leaves the remaining 5 in store at Heaton.

Cheers. I knew 008 was in store but wasn't too sure about the others

NorthernSpirit · 3 Apr 2020

I've updated the reference list, the update is under FRI 03 APR, to include the stood down class 144's. Where is 017 stored it it at Heaton or at Keighley?

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/pacer-withdrawls-the-list-reference

SteveyBee131 · 3 Apr 2020

Solent&Wessex said:
There are 16 out of 23 units at Keighley - all except 008, 015, 018, 019, 021, 022 and 023 are now at Keighley.

019 and 022 are expected to arrive tomorrow, which means 18 out of 23 at Keighley and just leaves the remaining 5 in store at Heaton.

They can't all be at Heaton, I saw at least one in service today, thanks to the Doncaster Railcam.

Mex I can · 3 Apr 2020

SteveyBee131 said:
They can't all be at Heaton, I saw at least one in service today, thanks to the Doncaster Railcam.

Yes, I saw it pass Mexborough. I didn’t catch the number, it was the three car with the plain blue car in the middle.

northernchris · 3 Apr 2020

NorthernSpirit said:
I've updated the reference list, the update is under FRI 03 APR, to include the stood down class 144's. Where is 017 stored it it at Heaton or at Keighley?

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/pacer-withdrawls-the-list-reference

144017 is at Keighley

Mex I can · 3 Apr 2020

Did all of the 3 cars have a plain blue middle car in the old Northern colour scheme? If not it was 016.

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