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Memories of Orpington 50s, 60s?

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This is a bit of a long shot, but is anyone ancient enough to remember Orpington in the late 50s and early 60s?
In particular, there was a regular trainspotters' "social scene" on the footbridge which went over the (now demolished) shed.
 
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This is a bit of a long shot, but is anyone ancient enough to remember Orpington in the late 50s and early 60s?
In particular, there was a regular trainspotters' "social scene" on the footbridge which went over the (now demolished) shed.
I lived in Shortlands throughout that period, so used the station a bit, but no memories of spotters if that's what you're asking (hardly any kids at school came from Orpington either).
 

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I lived in Shortlands throughout that period, so used the station a bit, but no memories of spotters if that's what you're asking (hardly any kids at school came from Orpington either).
Hi. Thanks for the reply. I certainly know Shortlands, but mainly passing through on the way to Victoria.
Orpington was quite exciting, as there were a lot of sidings. Every evening, a steam engine (different classes each day) would spend an hour or two shunting trucks. Just wondered if anyone on here remembered that. The footbridge North of the station was a good place to watch from and there was often quite a gathering of youngsters there taking an interest. I wondered if any of them would be on here.
 

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Hi. Thanks for the reply. I certainly know Shortlands, but mainly passing through on the way to Victoria.
Orpington was quite exciting, as there were a lot of sidings. Every evening, a steam engine (different classes each day) would spend an hour or two shunting trucks. Just wondered if anyone on here remembered that. The footbridge North of the station was a good place to watch from and there was often quite a gathering of youngsters there taking an interest. I wondered if any of them would be on here.
Sorry, was never there at the right time :(
The only journey I definitely made that way before the end of Kent Coast steam was Westerham-Dunton Green-Orpington-Shortlands.
 

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Sorry, was never there at the right time :(
The only journey I definitely made that way before the end of Kent Coast steam was Westerham-Dunton Green-Orpington-Shortlands.
Only in one direction? If so, I'm guessing that you may have used the 410 bus from Bromley North for the outward journey. I remember it was one of the few bus routes that used RLH (low height) buses.
Yes, I did manage to travel on the Dunton Green-Westerham push-pull shuttle a couple of times before its demise. I also joined the very short-lived preservation society in the 60s. Pity about that!
 

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Only in one direction? If so, I'm guessing that you may have used the 410 bus from Bromley North for the outward journey. I remember it was one of the few bus routes that used RLH (low height) buses.
Yes, I did manage to travel on the Dunton Green-Westerham push-pull shuttle a couple of times before its demise. I also joined the very short-lived preservation society in the 60s. Pity about that!
Yes, walk to Bromley and RLH outward. The return was a treat for me I assume (or my Dad?).
OT: we had neighbours who moved to Redhill and used to do the whole journey on the 410 before it was rerouted in Oxted to avoid the low bridge.
 

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I lived in Shortlands throughout that period, so used the station a bit, but no memories of spotters if that's what you're asking (hardly any kids at school came from Orpington either).

Well, there was at least one spotter at Shortlands in 1956! I just found this and scanned it in for everyone's enjoyment.
Not 30907 (sorry) but 30925 "Cheltenham" passing Shortlands on Royal Train conveying the Queen to the Medway Towns 24th October 1956.
(from an original photograph by J. Head)
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Well, there was at least one spotter at Shortlands in 1956! I just found this and scanned it in for everyone's enjoyment.
Not 30907 (sorry) but 30925 "Cheltenham" passing Shortlands on Royal Train conveying the Queen to the Medway Towns 24th Coctober 1956.
(from an original photograph by J. Head)
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Thanks, nice to see the pair of vintage Boat Train brakes! I can just remember the pre-59 layout.
 

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Thanks, nice to see the pair of vintage Boat Train brakes! I can just remember the pre-59 layout.
Indeed. Pre-1959, I remember that the order of the lines was down-down-up-up. It made the interchange between fast and slow trains at Bromley South much easier. It changed in 1959 to down-up-down-up resulting in a lot of bewildered passengers at Bromley South for the first few days.
 

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Indeed. Pre-1959, I remember that the order of the lines was down-down-up-up. It made the interchange between fast and slow trains at Bromley South much easier. It changed in 1959 to down-up-down-up resulting in a lot of bewildered passengers at Bromley South for the first few days.
ISTR they also reversed the platform numbers (for some reason Bromley S was out of step with all the others in the area, and 1 was the Down Local).
 
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Indeed. Pre-1959, I remember that the order of the lines was down-down-up-up. It made the interchange between fast and slow trains at Bromley South much easier. It changed in 1959 to down-up-down-up resulting in a lot of bewildered passengers at Bromley South for the first few days.

Why did they change? Presumably all stations would also have tio change until the line went to one track in each direction.

I moved to Orpington in the 80's, so remember when the station was remodelled. I also believe Chelsfield was updated (in the 60's?) to remove a siding and create a small car park.
 

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Why did they change? Presumably all stations would also have tio change until the line went to one track in each direction.
Yes, 3 stations had to change. At the time, the only bit of 4-track on that line was between Shortlands Jn. and Bickley Jn. so the only stations affected were Shortlands, Bromley South and Bickley.
This change was the first phase of the works for the Kent Coast Electrification, which also involved quadrupling the tracks from Bickley to Swanley.
 

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Why did they change?
To reduce conflicting movements at Shortlands and Bickley Jns.
At the same time the former Local lines (the outside ones) were realigned to allow 60mph instead of 20, and the loops at Chislehurst Jn similarly realigned (though with only 40mph junctions - ditto to/from the Catford loop).
Boat trains - and even Royal trains, see the 2nd photo here
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...ll-list-of-journeys-made.202722/#post-4519701 - routinely used the Up Local despite the restrictions (indeed, seeing one of them is my earliest memory).
If you look at the canopy on P1 at the London end of Shortlands you can see the difference between the old and new alignments - of course both sets of junctions have been further rebuilt, but the basic alignment is 1959.
 
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