Hi I need some advice. I have got stopped on 9/03/20 after touch out my oyster in London Underground. It was my brothers Oyster card. I admitted that I used it by mistake and when I received a letter from tfl whether to plea guilty or not guilty. I plead guilty and explained the situation too. They sent an email asking for my Oyster card. Since I am using the pay as u go Oyster card. I sent them the serial number
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Used brother's Oyster card, please help.
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Brissle Girl
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This needs to be in a new thread but we need some more information, as there are lots of gaps.
When you say “by mistake”, do you mean that, ie it was accidental? Or do you mean that it was deliberate, but you now recognise that it was a mistake to do so?
Did you have an Oyster card at the time of the incident, and if so what type?
what type of oyster is your brother’s, and why were you using it? Presumably to gain some sort of advantage, but how?
Do you agree with TfL that you gave the number of an oyster subsequently purchased. If so why, and were you trying to pull the wool over their eyes in some way?
Is there anything else that is relevant that we should know in trying to assist you? Much better to tell us now else we won’t be able to give you clear advice.
When you say “by mistake”, do you mean that, ie it was accidental? Or do you mean that it was deliberate, but you now recognise that it was a mistake to do so?
Did you have an Oyster card at the time of the incident, and if so what type?
what type of oyster is your brother’s, and why were you using it? Presumably to gain some sort of advantage, but how?
Do you agree with TfL that you gave the number of an oyster subsequently purchased. If so why, and were you trying to pull the wool over their eyes in some way?
Is there anything else that is relevant that we should know in trying to assist you? Much better to tell us now else we won’t be able to give you clear advice.
I have the blue Oyster card and I drive most of the time.
He has freedom pass
Thanks. From what you have said
1. You say you pleaded guilty. Do you mean you have pleaded guilty to a court summons, or just admitted to TfL what yiu had done?
2. you used a card entitling someone else to free travel.
That means you didn't have a valid ticket.
TfL could therefore take you to the magistrates' court. This could be for travelling without a valid ticket OR for attempting to evade the fare (which is more serious).
If found guilty you would have to pay a fine.
Tfl might invite you to agree to an "out of court settlement" - if they do, consider yourself lucky and accept.
3. you didn't have an Oyster card at the time.
That means that claiming you made a mistake will not convince anybody - as you have found out.
1. You say you pleaded guilty. Do you mean you have pleaded guilty to a court summons, or just admitted to TfL what yiu had done?
2. you used a card entitling someone else to free travel.
That means you didn't have a valid ticket.
TfL could therefore take you to the magistrates' court. This could be for travelling without a valid ticket OR for attempting to evade the fare (which is more serious).
If found guilty you would have to pay a fine.
Tfl might invite you to agree to an "out of court settlement" - if they do, consider yourself lucky and accept.
3. you didn't have an Oyster card at the time.
That means that claiming you made a mistake will not convince anybody - as you have found out.
Can’t I just say that I lost my pay as u go card and got a new one. Plus most of the time I drive as well so I can provide them my insurance docs??
Just to admit that it happened mistakenly as I picked my brothers oyster instead of mine.
Western Sunset
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If you had a valid oyster card at the time of the offence, then you could mention that in mitigation. I'm assuming that you live at the same address as your brother, so you could've picked his up by mistake (though I don't know how similar the cards look to each other). If you didn't have a valid oyster, then don't try to dig yourself an even bigger hole.
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There’s no way you can mistake an actual freedom pass for a normal PAYG oyster, at least if you’re looking at the card itself, but if it’s in some sort of cover then of course it’s a possibility.
Certainly do not make up a story - you will inevitably be found out. The truth is much better.
Brissle Girl
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Having a car won’t count for anything in terms of your case - it doesn’t prove anything, and I wouldn’t even mention it as it would suggest you are clutching at straws.
So far I think we’ve established that 1) you accidentally picked up your brother’s Oyster card, despite it looking completely different 2) you had your own card, which was PAYG (presumably no evidence of ownership) and 3) you subsequently lost it, so cannot produce it to prove you had it (but gave them the number of a card subsequently purchased).
I suspect the investigators may feel that there are too many holes and inconsistencies in this story to buy the story that this was accidental use. And if they do have that view then they are unlikely to be favourably disposed to a settlement if they feel you are not being completely honest with them.
Elecman
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I would suggest you start saving so you can pay the inevitable monetary amount required, be that an unlikely settlement offer or court fine.
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