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I don't think it's reasonable to expect supermarkets to move all their stock around on Saturday night to make it available in a smaller area, and to move it back on Sunday night. And I don't think their staff should have to put up with the situation where customers can see what they want in a closed part of the shop but not be able to buy it. If an unrestricted opening isn't possible then just stay closed.
 
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I don't think it's reasonable to expect supermarkets to move all their stock around on Saturday night to make it available in a smaller area, and to move it back on Sunday night. And I don't think their staff should have to put up with the situation where customers can see what they want in a closed part of the shop but not be able to buy it. If an unrestricted opening isn't possible then just stay closed.

In the end, people are saying that retail staff need a rest, and I'd agree they really do.

It's one day. If you can't avoid shopping for one day, you really need to learn how to plan properly. In normal circumstances I do apply rather a "just in time" approach to a lot of food shopping, but even then I don't end up without even one day's worth in, even if that's just what's left in a packet of breakfast cereal.
 

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The ONS datasets that you may find 'interesting' are published here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...nalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
Note that they are for England and Wales only (other sets are published for Scotland and NI). The datasets are in xlxs spreadsheet form.
They are provisional for the current year, updated every Tuesday, 11 days in arrears.
I am awaiting the next release to make observations, the significant numbers of deaths with Covid-19 will be reflected more in Tuesday's figures.
The current year dataset also compares each week with an average of the deaths occurring in the equivalent weeks for the previous 5 years.

As to the bank 'holiday' weekend, I would not want to see the current shopping patterns disrupted by wholesale Supermarket closures and I would expect that the Supermarkets themselves would not want that either.

Thanks @eastdyke, very interesting. I will have to check back after Tuesday.
 

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In the end, people are saying that retail staff need a rest, and I'd agree they really do.

It's one day. If you can't avoid shopping for one day, you really need to learn how to plan properly. In normal circumstances I do apply rather a "just in time" approach to a lot of food shopping, but even then I don't end up without even one day's worth in, even if that's just what's left in a packet of breakfast cereal.

Thats a point. Mind you not much you can do with the day off !.

I would not want to cause extra turmoil for the health workers by closing shops though. Wonder what the balance should be ?.
 

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I don't think it's reasonable to expect supermarkets to move all their stock around on Saturday night to make it available in a smaller area, and to move it back on Sunday night. And I don't think their staff should have to put up with the situation where customers can see what they want in a closed part of the shop but not be able to buy it. If an unrestricted opening isn't possible then just stay closed.

That could be a very provocative situation - all those rarely seen toilet rolls out of reach.
 

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Thats a point. Mind you not much you can do with the day off !.
Considering how full on it's be in the retail sector for the last nearly month now I imagine just being able to collapse at home for 24 hours would be enough!
 

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Considering how full on it's be in the retail sector for the last nearly month now I imagine just being able to collapse at home for 24 hours would be enough!

I must admit I had been very busy until Friday. Closed down now and enjoying the break even though it is paid for with my annual leave. I aim to still be alive when I wish I still had it available later this year !. I have had to remind myself that SOME other people may be sick of the spare time by now !.
 
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Thats a point. Mind you not much you can do with the day off !.

I would not want to cause extra turmoil for the health workers by closing shops though. Wonder what the balance should be ?.

Given that shops are closed every Easter Sunday, continuing that would seem sensible and the easiest default option!

It sounds like we may, fortunately, be having bad weather next weekend.
 

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Given that shops are closed every Easter Sunday, continuing that would seem sensible and the easiest default option!

It sounds like we may, fortunately, be having bad weather next weekend.

Well the weather was glorious yesterday, too hot at times :D. But already now it is cooler and damp - back to normal really :rolleyes:. And as for most bank holiday weekends - they are doomed to bad weather [/sods-law].
 

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Well the weather was glorious yesterday, too hot at times :D. But already now it is cooler and damp - back to normal really :rolleyes:. And as for most bank holiday weekends - they are doomed to bad weather [/sods-law].

Sun is back out now - for most of the next two weeks...
 

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Well hopefully something more interesting is being shown when the soaps would usually air. I haven't checked though. Hopefully not just repeats.

I have not seen the great escape for a while (oops).

Would love to see a repeat of the original Survivors series. Seriously I think it shaped my view of our sophisticated interconnected civilisation and left me always ready for a disaster - a bit. After getting snowed in for over a week in 1987 I have always kept a hoard of long life foods that I would normally eat anyway (like baked beans that don't even need cooking). Not quite as extreme as the cold war, fully stocked, back garden bunker builders. Bit close to reality at the moment though !.
 

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And I don't think their staff should have to put up with the situation where customers can see what they want in a closed part of the shop but not be able to buy it.
That alone wouldn't be enough, the items would have to be out of sight so that they can't be seen. Think they'd have to cover whole shelves with big dust sheets or similar.
 

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I had my letter from Boris this morning, delivered by Royal Mail.
 

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Did a search of google and found it looks like it was china in Wuhan after pneumonia cases.

Apologies if this is blunt but have you been living under a rock? It's been clear since probably January or certainly February that it came from Wuhan in China so I'm not sure how you're just discovering this now?!
 

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Did a search of google and found it looks like it was china in Wuhan after pneumonia cases.

Sorry but have you not been keeping up? It's well established that the first cases were in Wuhan and there'd been news stories in the UK that had been reporting on the developing situation there since at least January.

1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51047576 (first reports identifying the pneumonia outbreak as a Coronavirus)
2. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51108726 (first report of it spreading outside of china)
3. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51305526 (first report of every chinese province having cases)
 

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Sorry but have you not been keeping up? It's well established that the first cases were in Wuhan and there'd been news stories in the UK that had been reporting on the developing situation there since at least January.

1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51047576 (first reports identifying the pneumonia outbreak as a Coronavirus)
2. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51108726 (first report of it spreading outside of china)
3. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51305526 (first report of every chinese province having cases)
I suppose it spread by people flying and not noticing at first they had it. Viewed those and they were very informative, thank you.
 
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That's the logical explanation for how it's spread across the world - people who are infected moving to different locations and spreading it in said new locations although it isn't necessarily just flying - plenty of recorded cases from cruise ships. Also worth noting though that some of the people who spread it may have been asymptomatic and to date have never even realised that they've had the virus and spread it.

From memory, the first confirmed cases in the UK were imported from China and an Italian ski resort.
 

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Apologies if this is blunt but have you been living under a rock? It's been clear since probably January or certainly February that it came from Wuhan in China so I'm not sure how you're just discovering this now?!
Not having ideas for access I suppose and yorkie helped me that I should find things out before posting to make it more accurate. The bbc news did not seem to mention anything unless I missed some bits at the start. I did not have a tv working back in January and had not much information only from people at checkouts talking.
 

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Apologies if this is blunt but have you been living under a rock? It's been clear since probably January or certainly February that it came from Wuhan in China so I'm not sure how you're just discovering this now?!

Nah it was from that dodgey cheese sandwich I bought from the buffet all those years ago. I was a bit peckish just before last Christmas.
:E.
Thus disproving the mobile phone and/or mast theory/myth.
 
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