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Next Labour Leader - Confirmed as Keir Starmer

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TheGrandWazoo

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I disagree. Getting rid of the ineffectual, the useless, the one-tracked, will be easy. I would list them but some were so anonymous that I can't remember them.

But finding replacements?

Are the likes of Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn going to step down from their Select Committee roles (where they have significant influence) to become a shadow minister?

Are the new intake any good or are they Momentumites?

And what to do with Rebecca Long Bailey? Shadow Leader of the House? Nothing to do with policy but still in the shadow cabinet. And she would get on just fine with Jacob Rees-Mogg!

There are some decent ones on the back benches. Hadn't heard of him til a few months ago but Johnny Reynolds came across well when I heard him interviewed. They just need to clear out some of the nutters and the flotsam (that's people like Abbott and Andy McDonald). I'd have Nandy as Home Sec (she's impressed me in interviews), and RLB can stay where she is. Burgon to Northern Ireland ;)
 
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There are some decent ones on the back benches. Hadn't heard of him til a few months ago but Johnny Reynolds came across well when I heard him interviewed. They just need to clear out some of the nutters and the flotsam (that's people like Abbott and Andy McDonald). I'd have Nandy as Home Sec (she's impressed me in interviews), and RLB can stay where she is. Burgon to Northern Ireland ;)

Are you not getting a bit ahead of yourself there - Shadow Home Secretary :E ? It must be the excitement of getting rid of Corbyn going to your head and bypassing the next Election.
 

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Are you not getting a bit ahead of yourself there - Shadow Home Secretary :E ? It must be the excitement of getting rid of Corbyn going to your head and bypassing the next Election.
Yeah but as we were talking about the shadow cabinet, didn’t think it needed prefixing. However, you’re right - pleased that Corbyn is gone and hope they can start getting past the Righteous purity, virtue signaling and believing that they “won the argument”.

Momentum’s tweet was telling. That they were going to hold Starmer to account... if they can get shot of Lansman, Willsman and Williams from the NEC, that would be welcome!
 

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Lots of good news regarding the new Shadow Cabinet:

Chancellor - Anneliese Dodds
Home Secretary - Nick Thomas-Symonds
Foreign Secretary - Lisa Nandy
Duchy of Lancaster - Rachel Reeves
Health Secretary - Jonathan Ashworth

Ian Lavery, Barry Gardiner and Jon Trickett have all been fired. Hopefully that imbecile Burgon follows quickly.

Already this feels like a much more cohesive and proper opposition than the rubbish we've had to suffer for the last five years.
 

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Hadn't heard of him til a few months ago but Johnny Reynolds came across well when I heard him interviewed.
I've heard of him but that's all, comes from the right part of the world

They just need to clear out some of the nutters and the flotsam (that's people like Abbott and Andy McDonald).
I looked at the list of shadow ministers - most are just names, they might as well be tailor's dummies for all the impact they have had.

I'd have Nandy as Home Sec (she's impressed me in interviews) ...
Now that's a good call, I reckon she'd enjoy taking on Pritti Patel.

Burgon to Northern Ireland
What have you got against Northern Ireland? They have already lost Julian Smith who was, apparently, pretty good, you now want to inflict Richard Burgon on them, they'll be out on the streets - Shadow Secretary of State for Treacle Mines will do for him.
 

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I've heard of him but that's all, comes from the right part of the world

I looked at the list of shadow ministers - most are just names, they might as well be tailor's dummies for all the impact they have had.

Now that's a good call, I reckon she'd enjoy taking on Pritti Patel.


What have you got against Northern Ireland? They have already lost Julian Smith who was, apparently, pretty good, you now want to inflict Richard Burgon on them, they'll be out on the streets - Shadow Secretary of State for Treacle Mines will do for him.


So Nandy got shadow foreign secretary!

I quite like Northern Ireland - it was a Yes Minister gag that if you wanted to nobble someone, they got that brief. Burgon is monumentally awful and, for a lawyer, seems both incoherent and thick!
 

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So Nandy got shadow foreign secretary!

I quite like Northern Ireland - it was a Yes Minister gag that if you wanted to nobble someone, they got that brief. Burgon is monumentally awful and, for a lawyer, seems both incoherent and thick!
Brandon Lewis is a qualified barrister, apparently. :lol:
 

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So Nandy got shadow foreign secretary!
I thought your call was better. I don't know Nick Thomas-Symonds at all but he has written biographies of Clem Atlee and Nye Bevan so can't be all bad,

Burgon is monumentally awful and, for a lawyer, seems both incoherent and thick!
but said 'Yes, sir' to Corbyn! The qualifications for being in Corbyn's cabinet were to be approved by Momentum, willing to serve and breathing, no need for lucidity or intelligence. Incidentally, I notice Barry Gardiner has gone, seemed like a nice bloke but appeared completely ineffective and boring.
 

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Burgon is monumentally awful and, for a lawyer, seems both incoherent and thick!

No place for him in the shadow cabinet - people seeing this as a purge on the left.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1247095535296798721
It’s been an honour to serve as Labour’s Shadow Justice Secretary since 2016. I’ve just had a chat with Keir who let me know I won’t be in his new Shadow Cabinet team. As I've done since joining the Party in the mid-1990s, I'll continue to give my all to get a Labour Gov't.
 
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I'm sure there won't be many tears shed if some of those 'Corbynist' MPs decided to break away to form their own party to disappear in the footnotes of history when they lose their seat at the next election
 

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I'm sure there won't be many tears shed if some of those 'Corbynist' MPs decided to break away to form their own party to disappear in the footnotes of history when they lose their seat at the next election
I think that it's more likely that they will go to ground for another 20-30 years. Last time it was during Michael Foot's time as leader of the opposition when 'Militant' were the antagonists
 

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There are some decent ones on the back benches. Hadn't heard of him til a few months ago but Johnny Reynolds came across well when I heard him interviewed.
Starmer has read your post - Shadow Work and Pensions secretary. Important role with Universal Credit.

Ed Milliband - Business. I reckon he will have developed in the last five years and may not be too bad; when he was interviewed during the floods, he seemed quite on the ball. Long Bailey to Education (?). Thornberry - International Trade, a bit of a come down.

Whole lot at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52187354
 

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No place for him in the shadow cabinet - people seeing this as a purge on the left.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1247095535296798721

I fear that, to many on the left of the Labour Party, practically anything that doesn't involve the most left-wing possible people being promoted to the highest offices, irrespective of their actual abilities, is considered to be a terrible purge. (On the other hand, of course, running massive smear campaigns against moderate Labour MPs such as Tom Watson before the last election, was simply seen perfectly legitimate politics).
 

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At least there's now a chance of Labour winning the next General Election, and he seems a sensible, level-headed leader to me.

Oddly, since he was elected, the odds on a Labour victory have increased. Albeit they had shortened considerably from the time of the leadership election being started.
 

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Is Corbyn planning to remain an MP for the forseeable future?
I don't think he has indicated one way or another, but it makes sense to stay. He lives reasonably close to the House so attendance will not be too much of a hardship with enough time to pop along to the allotment in the evening. And, while he is in the house, he can still exert some influence on the parliamentary party. I would be surprised if he took up committee work.
 

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I don't think he has indicated one way or another, but it makes sense to stay. He lives reasonably close to the House so attendance will not be too much of a hardship with enough time to pop along to the allotment in the evening. And, while he is in the house, he can still exert some influence on the parliamentary party. I would be surprised if he took up committee work.

Perhaps Starmer will boot him up to the House of Lords :E
 

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If he accepts, then he has sold out the irony of the anti establishment becoming part of the establishment:lol:

He’ll look to emulate Tony Benn as some octogenarian touchstone for the left.


Starmer has read your post - Shadow Work and Pensions secretary. Important role with Universal Credit.

Ed Milliband - Business. I reckon he will have developed in the last five years and may not be too bad; when he was interviewed during the floods, he seemed quite on the ball. Long Bailey to Education (?). Thornberry - International Trade, a bit of a come down.

Whole lot at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52187354

I’d spotted that. He’s booted Burgon (praise be) and put RLB into a semi senior role.

However, the other Corbynistas are relegated to some nothing jobs like Cat Smith.
 

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A positive step (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52201614 )
They added: "While we would have fully understood the need to focus entirely on coronavirus at this time, Keir Starmer has already achieved in four days more than his predecessor in four years in addressing anti-Semitism within the Labour Party.

"This has certainly been a good start. If the new Labour leadership continues in this way, we can work together to make the changes that will make Labour a proudly anti-racist party once again."
'They' being
representatives from the Board of Deputies, the Jewish Leadership Council, the Community Security Trust and the Jewish Labour Movement.
It might encourage some of the MPs, councillors, supporters who left Labour under the last leadership to offer their support once again.
 

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What does this mean for Labour's position on EU membership? Will they become more pro-EU with Starmer as leader?
 

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What does this mean for Labour's position on EU membership? Will they become more pro-EU with Starmer as leader?

Frankly EU is going to be off agenda for a long while. Actually works in Starmer's favour: no questions as there are other more important issues like cv. Does EU really matter in current crisis?
 
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