When this is all over....

Ianno87 · 4 Apr 2020

Jamesrob637 said:
Will the population of London and the South East fall as many graduates from the provinces find that they can work from home and only have to go to their London offices on occasion meaning that they'll return? Many young graduates move to London for a couple of years purely for the "London experience" however these numbers may diminish and they choose to stay in/near their home towns after graduation. Obviously people will still move up and down the country for actual studies; if anything this may actually increase rather than people attending college or Uni in their home town.

The impetus of moving for work will significantly reduce if there is a clear expectation shift in the number of days office attendance is required.

Especially as those currently in school have suddenly been thrust into a remote working situation. I'm sure part of the current 5 days 9-5 culture and 'Presenteeism' stems in part from what is drilled into you at school. Which is, increasingly, total nonsense for many jobs.

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JonathanH · 4 Apr 2020

Jamesrob637 said:
Many young graduates move to London for a couple of years purely for the "London experience" however these numbers may diminish and they choose to stay in/near their home towns after graduation.

I don't think this follows - they move to London because there is more happening there than in their home towns.

One thing that probably has stopped in the past few weeks is people resigning and being recruited in the jobs that would normally be in offices and are now at home. There is a big step for many of those companies before they can recruit and onboard homeworkers - I'm not saying it can't be done but it will be a big step - it will be interesting to see what happens with new graduate recruits in September if there are still restrictions in place - it isn't really a case of sending them a laptop and telling them to get on with work.

JonathanH · 4 Apr 2020

Ianno87 said:
The impetus of moving for work will significantly reduce if there is a clear expectation shift in the number of days office attendance is required.

Especially as those currently in school have suddenly been thrust into a remote working situation. I'm sure part of the current 5 days 9-5 culture and 'Presenteeism' stems in part from what is drilled into you at school. Which is, increasingly, total nonsense for many jobs.

A lot of the 9-5 structure really comes from the fact that it aligns with the school day. You'd hardly have the majority of workers going to their workplace at a different time from their children going to school.

The homeworking thing is fine if you have a defined role and linear structure in your workplace. I have had no problem getting on with work and collaborating with colleagues on the direct work I am doing. However, in my work, I work directly with, say, 15 people in a team of 25 within a department of 100 people. In the course of being in the office I might interact with most of those 100 people at some point in time, not for a long time, but I might pick up an idea from someone I don't necessary work directly with. That is lost if you don't go to the same place as you don't just 'stop to chat' with someone in quite the same way.

corfield · 5 Apr 2020

I don’t think this’ll change much in the longer term - most of what we do is defined by how it interacts with everything else we do.

Working at home, well for me its been horrible. I need the discipline of a start time and being somewhere that is “about work”.

I hate that my house, which is “my own life” is now part of my work life.

I was on Day1 of my new role when sent home, so that initial uncomfortable period when you are doing background reading and have little to actually do - is stretched out and the normal gradual accumulation of contacts/tasks and output is now glacially slow. In fact, it makes Glaciers look roadrunner like.

It’s worse as I came from a key role in a really busy organisation - and my new one is a well know “step back, calm down, things take much longer here” so it feels like having gone from 100mph to 1mph.

All in all, motivation is seriously lacking!

Jozhua · 5 Apr 2020

Strathclyder said:
Being totally honest here, when the worst of this is over, I shall hopefully be resuming my quest to find a boyfriend in earnest. Been single for long enough and would have liked to have found a BF before all this really kicked off. Story of my life that I didn't. :/

Now is absolutely the worst time to be single, feel ya.

DynamicSpirit said:
I shall probably wake up, instantly think, "Yay! At last I can buy some eggs!" Then I'll venture outside, discover that the streets have become horrendously crowded and the London air suddenly smells horribly polluted, realise that I can't cycle 200 yards without encountering a moving car, bravely make it just about alive to the supermarket, and then return home to read a good book in peace. Except 3 days later I'll discover that - amongst the sea of germs that are suddenly rampaging around in the absence of social distancing and with everyone's immune systems trying to adjust back to the fact that there actually are a few pathogens out there - I've been infected with a bad normal flu, and end up spending the next week in bed, chatting on newsgroups about how much better life was in the lockdown.

Oh, and those dumbbells that I ordered 6 months previously will finally become in stock again, and they'll turn up on my doorstep, just as the gyms re-open and I realise I don't need them anymore.

I wonder what will happen with other diseases, potentially this will cut their spread too... we might see a quieter flu/cold season potentially, because all this social distancing might end up killing some strains off!

But knowing my luck, I'll get flu, be the last remaining Coronavirus case and probably get Norovirus too within a day of going to a shop.

Strat-tastic said:
Get a hair cut.

I needed one just before we went into semi-lockdown; I'll be a right mess when the barbers reopen. Pony tail anyone?

Oh god same, everyone is going to need a haircut. Have to wait for long enough at my local barbers normally, so after this I dread to think. I reckon most places will need to strictly take appointments and offer more limited services to deal with demand/distancing requirements.

PTR 444 said:
That sounds a good idea. In fact if this lockdown goes on for longer, i’d advocate allocating one day per month where some restrictions are lifted just for the day, so you can at least see friends and family for example. This like you said, could happen on VE Day then once every month after that.

This seems like a good idea, it's going to become quite hard to maintain this for much longer than a month.

TheSel said:
... it'll be time to put up the Christmas decorations.

Sounds about right lol, don't think we can successfully leave lockdown until we get a vaccine (in 12-18 months...)

d9009alycidon said:
Who knows, this might be like one of those horrible Science Fiction films that has no clear ending.............

Lockdown will probably end in 2400 when most sci-fi films are set.

scotrail158713 · 5 Apr 2020

Jozhua said:
Now is absolutely the worst time to be single, feel ya.

However, there are some who aren’t too bothered by it.

Ianno87 · 5 Apr 2020

Jozhua said:
Now is absolutely the worst time to be single, feel ya.

scotrail158713 said:
However, there are some who aren’t too bothered by it.

Don't worry - I'm sure there's also plenty of co-habiting couples only realising now how much they can't stand being constantly in each other's company right now

Esker-pades · 5 Apr 2020

Ianno87 said:
Don't worry - I'm sure there's also plenty of co-habiting couples only realising now how much they can't stand being constantly in each other's company right now

China reported a spike in divorces as it came out of lockdown for this reason: couples were stuck indoors and found that they couldn't stand each other.

Personally, I am craving non-sexual physical intimacy. I am the only one in my flat, so I cannot go and give anyone a hug.

High Dyke · 5 Apr 2020

Not so much about what I'm planning to do after all this. However, perhaps the politicians will realise that all the frontline emergency workers that have been frequently lauded across the media for their efforts will be given the pay rise they deserve.

JonathanH · 6 Apr 2020

High Dyke said:
Not so much about what I'm planning to do after all this. However, perhaps the politicians will realise that all the frontline emergency workers that have been frequently lauded across the media for their efforts will be given the pay rise they deserve.

We need to find a way of paying for this by taxing excessive pay awards made elsewhere in the economy but I'm not really sure how.

High Dyke · 6 Apr 2020

JonathanH said:
We need to find a way of paying for this by taxing excessive pay awards made elsewhere in the economy but I'm not really sure how.

Perhaps the 'overpaid' footballers, currently complaining after being told to take a pay cut, should make the first sacrifice to augment a decent pay increase for public sector workers.

scotrail158713 · 6 Apr 2020

High Dyke said:
Perhaps the 'overpaid' footballers, currently complaining after being told to take a pay cut, should make the first sacrifice to augment a decent pay increase for public sector workers.

Definitely - what do they need £200k+ per week for just now anyway?

telstarbox · 6 Apr 2020

To play devil's advocate, if you cut their wages you also lose a huge slice of income tax.

High Dyke · 6 Apr 2020

telstarbox said:
To play devil's advocate, if you cut their wages you also lose a huge slice of income tax.

I believe that's their argument; that a reduced wage is a reduced payment in tax. I was more thinking that they make a charitable donation, after being paid.

Jamiescott1 · 6 Apr 2020

If footballers take a pay cut then the only people that benefit are the owners of the clubs

Struner · 6 Apr 2020

So them footballers take a “pay cut” && the club owners donate the difference to the NHS - without claiming it in their tax returns of course.

Mike_0ne · 6 Apr 2020

Going to work, seeing all the kids in and knowing they are well and that the world's their oyster C:

Darandio · 6 Apr 2020

High Dyke said:
I believe that's their argument; that a reduced wage is a reduced payment in tax. I was more thinking that they make a charitable donation, after being paid.

I firmly believe they will. It seems that currently the sticking point is where this sizeable amount of money will go and the players want to make that choice, as is their right.

scotrail158713 · 6 Apr 2020

Jamiescott1 said:
If footballers take a pay cut then the only people that benefit are the owners of the clubs

How are they? The clubs aren’t able to bring in money like they usually do so it’s not like millions of pounds is suddenly just lining owners pockets.

Cowley · 6 Apr 2020

scotrail158713 said:
How are they? The clubs aren’t able to bring in money like they usually do so it’s not like millions of pounds is suddenly just lining owners pockets.

I’m just going to say can we keep this thread on topic and maybe someone (or I’ll do it later when I’ve got time) could start a new thread on footballers wages because it could be an interesting subject.
Thanks folks.

Flange Squeal · 7 Apr 2020

Visit my Dad. He is in a high-risk category (and now under the NHS’ instructions to isolate for 12 weeks) so, as a rail worker in close proximity to many people per day, I had already opted not to see him in the time immediately leading up to lockdown with his health in mind. Will be great to be able to eventually visit him!

Ashley Hill · 7 Apr 2020

Flange Squeal said:
Visit my Dad. He is in a high-risk category (and now under the NHS’ instructions to isolate for 12 weeks) so, as a rail worker in close proximity to many people per day, I had already opted not to see him in the time immediately leading up to lockdown with his health in mind. Will be great to be able to eventually visit him!

I'm in that position too. Will be out for beers with mine when this is over.

Gooner18 · 7 Apr 2020

Trying to hang on to my job

MattA7 · 7 Apr 2020

I’ll just be happy when I can start going outside and able to attend weekly prayer services again.

Strat-tastic · 7 Apr 2020

Yeah, I miss playing in the band at church. That'll be a blast when we resume!

ATW Alex 101 · 8 Apr 2020

Strat-tastic said:
We're going to have a communal burning of toilet roll tubes!

How will you celebrate?

I am muchly looking forward to seeing my girlfriend again

Visit my girlfriend.
Go to Nando’s!
Re-book my trip back home to The Philippines.
Clear the backlog of pending jobs for my customers!
Go to church.

scotrail158713 · 8 Apr 2020

ATW Alex 101 said:
Go to church.

I’m looking forward to that as well. I’ve been trying a variety of different online services the last few weeks, but it’s not the same as being in the church itself.

ATW Alex 101 · 8 Apr 2020

scotrail158713 said:
I’m looking forward to that as well. I’ve been trying a variety of different online services the last few weeks, but it’s not the same as being in the church itself.

At the moment, we are holding our services and bible study via videoconferencing software, but it’s quite impractical and very laggy. But I do enjoy the social aspect, and being together, and am very much looking forward to the day when we can get together again.

scotrail158713 · 8 Apr 2020

ATW Alex 101 said:
At the moment, we are holding our services and bible study via videoconferencing software, but it’s quite impractical and very laggy. But I do enjoy the social aspect, and being together, and am very much looking forward to the day when we can get together again.

I know a few churches doing that. I don’t think it’s ideal but it’s making the best of a bad situation.

Strat-tastic · 8 Apr 2020

Ours is putting sermons, prayers online. My girlfriend and I have been visiting various ones the last three weeks. Maybe we could start a separate thread for online services if there's much interest?

Am I allowed to take my own thread off topic?

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