bramling
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Which is essentially what’s happened in London already.
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Rail services to be increased on May 18th
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Which is essentially what’s happened in London already.
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That advice isn't in place at all TOCs although it applies to the vast majority.
dk1
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Yes so I heard yesterday which surprised me greatly. I thought they where all following the national guidelines.
Looking on Realtime seems to suggest TPE services will back to more of a normal timetable next week except no Man Airport-Newcastle service, Liverpool Scarborough reduced to a few peak time trains with a shuttle from York the rest of the time. Hull, Redcar, and Newcastle-Liverpool run, stoppers back to being split at Huddersfield.
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Most conductors will be in the rear cab which is where they have been advised (read instructed) to stay. You'll find very few interested in having an argument over where somebody may or may not sit. Aside from security checks, smiling and saying "How do you do." I've been a glorified passenger for the last two months.
This isn't worth an extra thread but I suppose Queen Elizabeth II will no longer be taking her Kings Lynn train in the near future or probably ever again from now on.
Feel free to make a thread about this on it's own if you feel like it.
Feel free to make a thread about this on it's own if you feel like it.
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Is the country ready for a increase in services seeing as on the Thameslink network apart from the odd peak service has been carrying fresh air mostly all day so do we really need to run more trains?
Why can't we just carry on with the existing timetable until September and look at stepping up from there?
Why can't we just carry on with the existing timetable until September and look at stepping up from there?
dk1
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The TOCs are only doing as the DfT specifies & pays for. Hopefully as we move into further phases of the lockdown these extra services & the social distancing they allow will be most welcome.
So they don't have any authority then?
Xenophon PCDGS
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I just glanced at some of the early postings on this thread which stated "bring back the Pacers as an add-on to existing services". With the Class 142 versions of the Pacers, how many of these have already been scrapped and how many are still available for service use?
As I previously mentioned the transport police enforce the railway official's authority. Depending on the circumstances they have surprisingly little choice in the matter once they're summoned to the scene. If you ask them to get involved in a daft dispute over a ticket unless you have gone through due process they can and will tell you to sod off.
If as a designated person in charge of a railway premises or train you instruct them to enforce a specific law or byelaw that has been breached then there isn't much they can do about it.
You have to go through the process of notifying the breach and asking the person involved to comply with the law before calling in the heavies.
We need to be looking into stepping it up now so that the transition is easier in two or three months time (when far more workplaces will be beginning to return and some leisure travel may be allowed).
bramling
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Looks like GTR are going back to a modified Saturday service as from this weekend.
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The Chester to Manchester via Altrincham on Sundays won't need changing as there's nothing to change!
High Dyke
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The easiest way to look at it is treat it like a giant wordsearch. Then blank out every letter that surrounds you. You're now the required distance from the next person. Not that many people still understand social distancing.
Which is why perhaps train services possibly shouldn't have been increased. OK, there would still be instances of more people travelling in a reduced capacity service, but that may also have a positive effect - if people don't feel they can travel safely then they may not travel at all or find an alternative method. Remember, the government did urged people to avoid public transport if possible.
As I was discussing with colleagues yesterday there are still too many 'ifs and buts' at the moment. Perhaps the government advice should have been more clearer for England. Perhaps the wearing of face coverings when outside/on public transport should be mandatory. There will never be a consensus from the masses about the right or wrong thing to do. Part of the problem has been that trade unions and rail industry bosses have been in regular discussions about the required provisions for rail services, and had agreed a way forward from Monday 18th May - only for much of their efforts to be torpedoed by the government on Sunday. That would suggest that the government doesn't have the right advisors or they just didn't listen to the rail industry.
All her trips in the past have involved social distancing as a coach has been reserved for her and a few aides.
My suggestions-
Drivers- cabs should be disinfected after every driver turn.
Guards- duties done from the back cabs. For any platform duties, they should be issued with reflective vests stating in big letters "stay 2 metres away from me"
Platform dispatchers- protected areas on the platform marked out, and vests as for guards.
Gatelines- left open, unstaffed.
Ticket offices- the public facing bits were built for this sort of thing. Staff follow 2 metre rule between them. Only every other ticket window operating to allow this.
Revenue- all checks suspended
On board catering- none. Passengers can bring their own.
Passenger assistance - as little as possible. No one should be travelling with suitcases. Use of the disabled ramp is done maintaining social distancing, and using PPE.
Messrooms- hire portakabins if necessary to allow social distancing.
All trains should have a stock of PPE (masks, gloves, visors, hand sanitiser) to be used if the guard or driver has to enter the passenger areas in an emergency.
Good ideas or am I living in cloud cuckoo land?
Drivers- cabs should be disinfected after every driver turn.
Guards- duties done from the back cabs. For any platform duties, they should be issued with reflective vests stating in big letters "stay 2 metres away from me"
Platform dispatchers- protected areas on the platform marked out, and vests as for guards.
Gatelines- left open, unstaffed.
Ticket offices- the public facing bits were built for this sort of thing. Staff follow 2 metre rule between them. Only every other ticket window operating to allow this.
Revenue- all checks suspended
On board catering- none. Passengers can bring their own.
Passenger assistance - as little as possible. No one should be travelling with suitcases. Use of the disabled ramp is done maintaining social distancing, and using PPE.
Messrooms- hire portakabins if necessary to allow social distancing.
All trains should have a stock of PPE (masks, gloves, visors, hand sanitiser) to be used if the guard or driver has to enter the passenger areas in an emergency.
Good ideas or am I living in cloud cuckoo land?
High Dyke
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A number of those measures are already in place, or should be. What you haven't taken into account is the minority of public that think social distancing doesn't apply to them, or are making unnecessary journeys; I'm sure there are still many that don't need to be travelling - especially if they aren't working (either furloughed, told to work from home or don't actually have a job). There will be some cases where a train may be needed to travel locally to the nearest available supermarket, especially away from major urban centres.
The key problem is that we're hampered by a social distancing guideline of 2m that isn't supported by WHO guidance, and which isn't being applied in other countries.
All generally sensible ideas some have been implemented already, with the limits of individual locations.
Your suitcase rule cannot be enforced as there will be a few still arriving home after being stranded abroad and VV. Disabled ramp/assistance is difficult to social distance.
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Was this an intercity train because they haven't been doing this on local commuter services.
Bletchleyite
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Would it be manageable if staff took other break options in preference to using messrooms where possible? For instance on the unit they are going to work with it locked up?
In some locations could spare units be parked up in bays to be used for that purpose?
High Dyke
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Yes, that is the problem. I wonder what the effect would've been if the 1 metre guidance was used instead.
Fewer seats would have to be marked OOU presumably.
Bletchleyite
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"You can drop it to 1m but only if you wear a mask" seems to be a good way of "climbing down" with some protection.
High Dyke
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Which brings it back to my earlier comment of
Bletchleyite
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Given that the only purpose that is felt to work for masks is altruism i.e. to protect others, I would be inclined to agree that they should be legally mandatory in all public indoor spaces (definition: any place fitting the definition of "indoor" used for the smoking ban, in which there are presently people who do not live in that place) unless the person has a doctor's note confirming they cannot, e.g. due to a diagnosis of autism or other sensory issue.
I don't agree with making face coverings mandatory outside is necessary - the disadvantages probably outweigh any benefits.
However I would agree with it on public transport if it meant that more people could travel safely.
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