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Trivia: Which major UK town has the least direct route from London?

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But the most difficult place to get to from London is undoubtedly Workington
I just threw it into the planner and it told me it can be done in 4h13m (though most journeys are considerably worse) with a single change at Carlisle.

Ticketing may be a pain on a normal weekday though as it looks like the last train leaves London at only 17:30
 
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Looks like right now you have to take a rail-replacement bus from Workington which adds about half an hour to the journey, last (and fastest) departure from London is still the same.
 

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They might not be "major", but three towns that are large in their general area in my neck of the woods come to mind:

First is Deal on the Kent coast (pop 30,000), where the Javelin rounder has to follow the coast round in either the Ramsgate or Dover direction before going onward to London, certainly not heading towards London in a straighter line until either Dover or Margate.

Second is Rye, East Sussex (pop 9,000), which requires a change at either Hastings or Ashford, which is definitely a long trek if HS1 is not used.

Third is Bexhill (pop circa 43,500), where the direct Victoria train follows the coast to Lewes before going more direct towards London.
 

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Deal....Rye.
Third is Bexhill (pop circa 43,500), where the direct Victoria train follows the coast to Lewes before going more direct towards London.
Neither Deal nor Rye are significantly farther from London by rail than by the best road route.
Bexhill is a good example, the SECR station at the back of town having closed in 1963 - but IIRCIIRC you would now go via St Leonards for the quickest journey.
 

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For Stockton you'd need to change at Darlington and again at Middlesbrough.

Most would get off at Thornaby, which is only just slightly further away than Stockton station itself - a 10 minute walk. Or, people could get the Grand Central and change at Eaglescliffe for Thornaby rather than Darlington - there are plenty of buses from there too.

I'd expect maybe Whitby to be one of the worst? Train to Middlesbrough, change to a Darlington service (or Eaglescliffe) and then join the ECML at Eaglescliffe/Darlington.
 

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Most would get off at Thornaby, which is only just slightly further away than Stockton station itself - a 10 minute walk. Or, people could get the Grand Central and change at Eaglescliffe for Thornaby rather than Darlington - there are plenty of buses from there too.

I'd expect maybe Whitby to be one of the worst? Train to Middlesbrough, change to a Darlington service (or Eaglescliffe) and then join the ECML at Eaglescliffe/Darlington.

Eaglescliffe would be better if TPE stopped there, always wondered why they don't.
 

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Eaglescliffe would be better if TPE stopped there, always wondered why they don't.

No idea - maybe the ideology is that Yarm isn't served as well (TPE being the only stoppers there)and Eaglescliffe already has good connections to Darlington every 30 mins. TPE stopping there would be ideal, and no doubt would take away from the Darlington service with connections to York & beyond rather than changing... but, I guess TPE stop at Darlington on the Newcastle/Edinburgh services so they're getting the bulk of the patronage anyway?
 

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Most would get off at Thornaby, which is only just slightly further away than Stockton station itself - a 10 minute walk. Or, people could get the Grand Central and change at Eaglescliffe for Thornaby rather than Darlington - there are plenty of buses from there too.

I'd expect maybe Whitby to be one of the worst? Train to Middlesbrough, change to a Darlington service (or Eaglescliffe) and then join the ECML at Eaglescliffe/Darlington.

Though most savvy passengers from London would avoid buying a ticket to Whitby, and would choose "Whitby Bus" - since it's cheaper, faster, and more direct with a single change at York.
 

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Though most savvy passengers from London would avoid buying a ticket to Whitby, and would choose "Whitby Bus" - since it's cheaper, faster, and more direct with a single change at York.
It might not suite everyone as you are on the bus for a fair time with no toilet.
 

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Though most savvy passengers from London would avoid buying a ticket to Whitby, and would choose "Whitby Bus" - since it's cheaper, faster, and more direct with a single change at York.
There is no direct bus from York to Whitby, only from Malton, and at present there are only 2 journeys per day on this route. It is probably simpler [and quicker] to book a rail ticket through to Scarborough and then take a bus to Whitby from there - the service appears to be 2 hourly and takes about 1 hour.
 
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This seems to be a covid-related cutback - the coastliner bus ran through from Leeds to York, then Malton and Whitby.
I've caught it a few times in the past from York, but of course bus journeys just about everywhere have been severely impacted by the present restrictions.
 

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This seems to be a covid-related cutback - the coastliner bus ran through from Leeds to York, then Malton and Whitby.
I've caught it a few times in the past from York, but of course bus journeys just about everywhere have been severely impacted by the present restrictions.

Yes, the usual service is every two hours.

And while there is no toilet on board, informally they'll usually allow you off to use facilities at Malton bus station during the wait there.
 
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In terms of ratio of straight-line distance to rail distance to a London terminal, the North London Line fares poorly. e.g. Camden Road to St Pancras is under a mile travelling there on National Rail services only is significantly longer.
If Moorgate is allowed:​
Camden Road > Highbury & I > Moorgate
If St Pancras is required:​
Camden Road > Highbury & I > Finsbury Park > St Pancras [A]
Must be routeable for a single vehicle (in practice may require changes):​
Camden Road > Olympia (Olympia's London, isn't it‽)
 

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Would have said Stranraer when the last direct service ended. Would say Ayr or Paisley now. Don't know where comes lose to the latter.
 

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Would have said Stranraer when the last direct service ended. Would say Ayr or Paisley now. Don't know where comes lose to the latter.

Paisley is only ten minutes from Central , not really out the way . East Kilbride is out the way for everything
 

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Paisley is only ten minutes from Central , not really out the way . East Kilbride is out the way for everything
Can't believe I forgot East Kilbride! Certainly number 1 in Scotland.

How much better it'd be for the greater Glasgow network if East Kilbride hooked up to Motherwell.
 

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Can't believe I forgot East Kilbride! Certainly number 1 in Scotland.

How much better it'd be for the greater Glasgow network if East Kilbride hooked up to Motherwell.

Yes , East Kilbride to Edinburgh via Hamilton and Motherwell would be very useful.
 

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I'm not sure whether I'm on the right track (no pun intended!), but how about Llandovery (assuming it meets the criteria)?

Travelling on Monday, the first service with a connection to London is the 12.38 to Shrewsbury (13.13 - 15.32). It's then necessary to change at Wolverhampton (16.07 - 16.14) and Stafford (16.27 - 16.41), arriving at Euston at 18.03.

There's no return train that night, so you'd have to wait until Tuesday, when you have a choice. Your first is from Paddington at 07.48 to Swansea (10.34 - 11.14), arriving at Llandovery at 12.36 - two minutes short of 24 hours! The second is from Euston at 09.10 to Crewe (10.45 - 11.11) then to Shrewsbury (11.42 - 12.04), arriving at Llandovery at 14.16 - 25 hours and 38 minutes!

The journey from London and back is comparatively short, as it can be done on one day. It takes 5 hours 26 minutes out via Crewe and Shrewsbury, and there's a choice for the return - via Swansea (4 hours 37 minutes) [Total 10 hours 3 minutes] or via Shrewsbury, Birmingham New Street & Moor Street, which takes 6 hours 12 minutes [Total 11 hours 39 minutes].

Someone's going to tell me that it doesn't count now … but that's life!

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I'm not sure whether I'm on the right track (no pun intended!), but how about Llandovery (assuming it meets the criteria)?

Travelling on Monday, the first service with a connection to London is the 12.38 to Shrewsbury (13.13 - 15.32). It's then necessary to change at Wolverhampton (16.07 - 16.14) and Stafford (16.27 - 16.41), arriving at Euston at 18.03.

There's no return train that night, so you'd have to wait until Tuesday, when you have a choice. Your first is from Paddington at 07.48 to Swansea (10.34 - 11.14), arriving at Llandovery at 12.36 - two minutes short of 24 hours! The second is from Euston at 09.10 to Crewe (10.45 - 11.11) then to Shrewsbury (11.42 - 12.04), arriving at Llandovery at 14.16 - 25 hours and 38 minutes!

The journey from London and back is comparatively short, as it can be done on one day. It takes 5 hours 26 minutes out via Crewe and Shrewsbury, and there's a choice for the return - via Swansea (4 hours 37 minutes) [Total 10 hours 3 minutes] or via Shrewsbury, Birmingham New Street & Moor Street, which takes 6 hours 12 minutes [Total 11 hours 39 minutes].

Someone's going to tell me that it doesn't count now … but that's life!

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Using the Covid (Sunday service?) timetable is stretching a point, I would have thought - but I suppose in a local context Llandovery could be called a major town :)
 

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Using the Covid (Sunday service?) timetable is stretching a point, I would have thought - but I suppose in a local context Llandovery could be called a major town :)

This isn't the Covid-19 timetable; I entered the actual dates in the standard search engine.
 

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This isn't the Covid-19 timetable; I entered the actual dates in the standard search engine.
On a normal Monday there is an 07:30 Llandovery to Crewe, arrive 11:11 then 11:22 Crewe to Euston arrive 13:00 so 5hrs 30.
You can leave Euston for Crewe at 15:40, arriving Crewe 17:09 to get the 17:20 back to Llandovery arriving 20:56.
 

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On a normal Monday there is an 07:30 Llandovery to Crewe, arrive 11:11 then 11:22 Crewe to Euston arrive 13:00 so 5hrs 30.
You can leave Euston for Crewe at 15:40, arriving Crewe 17:09 to get the 17:20 back to Llandovery arriving 20:56.
Hmm, although an advertised connection, 11 minutes is a bit tight especially on the return as there is no alternative train back to Llandovery from Crewe.

What would they offer if the London train was late getting into Crewe, a train to Hereford and a taxi onwards?
 

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I am aware that many years ago, the LNWR offered through carriages from the Central Wales line to Euston, but surely from Llandovery one would now travel via Swansea to go to London.
 

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This isn't the Covid-19 timetable; I entered the actual dates in the standard search engine.
Presumably one day next week, when the service is 2 trains per day each way? Search engines are updated on a weekly basis with reduced timetables.
 

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By "major town" I was thinking of anywhere with a population of 50,000 or more; and including places without a direct service from London; circuitousness as excess of rail distance over straight line.
This was the OP's earlier definition of a "major town" and, as such, it tends to exclude quite a few towns located out in the regions.

With all due respect, Llandovery, with a population of c. 2,000, scarcely falls into the OP's category of "major town"!
 

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Llandrindod Wells. One of the main towns in mid-Wales but you have to change at Shrewsbury and potentially also Birmingham New Street or Wolverhampton.
 

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Apologies if I've missed this example further upthread. Burton Upon Trent is a sizeable town and has quite a catchment (towards Swadlincote etc) with no direct service, but of course a change at Derby or Birmingham isn't too arduous.
 

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Reading to Clapham Jct. will indeed be a sensible option for quite a lot of journeys. I did the whole distance into Waterloo once or twice to connect with Eurostar when it ran from there, and once more recently because it was a lot cheaper -- my destination was near Waterloo, so the time penalty was only about half an hour, and I needed to be there at a time that meant I could use an off-peak ticket to Waterloo but would have needed a peak one to go via Paddington.
Another option for Reading - Waterloo is via Basingstoke, but you can't buy a single or return ticket valid that way. I used to commute the route daily, but using a Basingstoke - London travel card season valid via Reading or Woking, which was exactly the same price as a Reading - London season. I usually caught the shuttle from Reading West, changing onto a fast at Basingstoke. Far less crowded both ways than going via Paddington and avoided using the awful Bakerloo to get to my south bank workplace. About the same overall journey time door to door. Always had the option of going via Slough or Staines if expedient on the day. Often used the Staines route if I had to go straight to Croydon for work reasons as nothing fast in the morning peak from Basingstoke stopped at Clapham Jn.
 
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