Oscar46016
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No , just northbound in morning.
So if I boarded the "down" sleeper from Inverness - is it only for sleeper passengers all the way to Euston?
No , just northbound in morning.
You mean the Up sleeper, don't you?So if I boarded the "down" sleeper from Inverness - is it only for sleeper passengers all the way to Euston?
So if I boarded the "down" sleeper from Inverness - is it only for sleeper passengers all the way to Euston?
I suppose it’s a railhead for Carnwath too, and perhaps Biggar?
You mean the Up sleeper, don't you?
And yes, it is for sleeper (or pre-booked seats) passengers only.
Don't think it's picking up any seated passengers at all currently.No , just northbound in morning.
The departure from Inverness is (under normal circumstances) only available for seated passengers heading to stations south of the Scottish border.So if I boarded the "down" sleeper from Inverness - is it only for sleeper passengers all the way to Euston?
Correct - as per the CS website (https://www.sleeper.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/) seats are out of action until 31 August and logically the day services provided by the Inverness train (and Fort William train in due course) cannot be provided.Don't think it's picking up any seated passengers at all currently.
Seated Coaches
There are specific elements of the operational features of our train, which set us apart from other UK operators and as such we have closed all seated coaches at this time up until 31st August 2020...
Day Services
As a result of the impact of COVID 19, we will be temporarily suspending the daytime service from Kingussie, Aviemore and Carrbridge, with effect from Monday 8 June.
Daytime services will also be temporarily suspended on the Fort William line, when the service is introduced from 15 July.
We apologise for the inconvenience this may cause and appreciate the understanding of our guests at this difficult time. We will aim to re-introduce this service as soon as we are able to. Further updates to day services will be noted on this page.
It might also be worth mentioning that, per correspondence from Caledonian Sleeper, Club Cars and lounges are expected to remain closed until 31st August 2020, with no evening availability of food or refreshments. A snack breakfast will be provided in the morning.
I'm not an avid follower of the sleeper on RTT but I'm inferring that each of those 3 station calls costs (time-wise) about 15 minutes. Seems a bit on the high side...Correct - as per the CS website (https://www.sleeper.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/) seats are out of action until 31 August and logically the day services provided by the Inverness train (and Fort William train in due course) cannot be provided.
Day Services
As a result of the impact of COVID 19, we will be temporarily suspending the daytime service from Kingussie, Aviemore and Carrbridge, with effect from Monday 8 June.
For avid followers of the sleeper on RTT, this is why 1S25 has arrived in the region of 50 minutes early some days recently, or been able to make up significant time en route to Inverness when its been delayed further south.
I assume it's because it's free to run early because there is no timetable for pick up passengers to stick to.I'm not an avid follower of the sleeper on RTT but I'm inferring that each of those 3 station calls costs (time-wise) about 15 minutes. Seems a bit on the high side...
In that case, since part of the reason for allowing day passengers between Kingussie and Inverness is to provide a morning journey into Inverness, how do intending passengers know when to arrive at the station to catch the train?I assume it's because it's free to run early because there is no timetable for pick up passengers to stick to.
The sleeper is not picking up passengers at those stations right now; there is no timetable therefore; and nothing for passengers to wait for.In that case, since part of the reason for allowing day passengers between Kingussie and Inverness is to provide a morning journey into Inverness, how do intending passengers know when to arrive at the station to catch the train?
Is it just a case of turn up and wait...
Ah yes thanks for the clarification though that brings me back to my original point - roughly speaking (in normal circumstances) each of those 3 station calls costs about 15 minutes.The sleeper is not picking up passengers at those stations right now; there is no timetable therefore; and nothing for passengers to wait for.
Normally of course, it would follow the advertised timetable.
It’s the single track line with passing places that normally costs time, not the station stops. The sleeper can now leave Perth or Stirling earlier if no one is alighting, and potentially make an earlier path going north. There’s no southbound 07.55 Inverness to kings cross at the moment either; the sleeper normally has to wait at Culloden for this.Ah yes thanks for the clarification though that brings me back to my original point - roughly speaking (in normal circumstances) each of those 3 station calls costs about 15 minutes.
Thank you for explaining that, it makes sense. I hadn't taken pathing into consideration.It’s the single track line with passing places that normally costs time, not the station stops. The sleeper can now leave Perth or Stirling earlier if no one is alighting, and potentially make an earlier path going north. There’s no southbound 07.55 Inverness to kings cross at the moment either; the sleeper normally has to wait at Culloden for this.
Normally it divides/joins at Carstairs, with 92s hauling their respective portions.For the Edinburgh / Glasgow splitter - what happens with that?
Normally it divides/joins at Carstairs, with 92s hauling their respective portions.
At the moment, the Glasgow Central portion runs to Edinburgh and attaches to the train from Inverness. This then runs as one train to Euston, and vice versa.
So in normal operations there are 3 x 73/9s and 3 x 92s in operation?
If you exclude the locos used for empty stock moves then yes - 3 92s a night. Would be 5 if you include the empty stock locos that only haul the trains between the depot and station (one for Glasgow and one for London)
4 73/9s would normally be used each night - the Inverness train uses 2.
If you exclude the locos used for empty stock moves then yes - 3 92s a night. Would be 5 if you include the empty stock locos that only haul the trains between the depot and station (one for Glasgow and one for London)
4 73/9s would normally be used each night - the Inverness train uses 2.
I'm perhaps misunderstanding how the Lowlander works but I thought it was four 92's, two for the Lowlander leaving south from Glasgow and Edinburgh then two north from London, one for the Lowlander and one for the Highlander.
It’s the single track line with passing places that normally costs time, not the station stops. The sleeper can now leave Perth or Stirling earlier if no one is alighting, and potentially make an earlier path going north. There’s no southbound 07.55 Inverness to kings cross at the moment either; the sleeper normally has to wait at Culloden for this.
I'm perhaps misunderstanding how the Lowlander works but I thought it was four 92's, two for the Lowlander leaving south from Glasgow and Edinburgh then two north from London, one for the Lowlander and one for the Highlander.
There’s no southbound 07.55 Inverness to kings cross at the moment either; the sleeper normally has to wait at Culloden for this.
By my reckoning, factoring in the ECS moves, the 92s needed are:
1) 1S25 northbound Highland sleeper
2) 1S26 northbound Lowland sleeper
3) 5S25 and 5S26 ECS loco at Wembley
4) 1M11 southbound Lowland sleeper
5) 1C11 / 1B11 Edinburgh portion (and ECS from / to Polmadie)
6) 5M11 ECS loco at Polmadie (stock for 1M11 ex Glasgow Central)
7) 1M16 southbound Highland sleeper
It's possible that the 5M11 ECS loco isn't needed if they run round the stock and propel into Glasgow Central, but I've not been there to witness it. So either 6 or 7 class 92s needed per night. There's scope for substitution by 73/9s on the EC moves in Scotland.