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Former Red Express B7TL's now on the withdrawn list by the looks. Will be interesting to see what happens with this route.

A former Coastliner B9 which had been at Rosso for a while is now at Harrogate and is up for sale apparently.
 
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Former Red Express B7TL's now on the withdrawn list by the looks. Will be interesting to see what happens with this route.
They have replaced them with the Red4 Eclipses.

I think they killed the demand so much that an Eclipse is the most that they will fill so there is no point in having the deckers on a route where they aren't utilised. If I were Transdev though, I would be keeping the seats for another bus (as the RedEx seats are fantastic, much better than the ones on WhichWay) and doing the bus into school spec to rid some of the 1999 Presidents. I know the B7TLs are getting on but if you can withdraw even older buses, they might get another few years out of them.
 

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They have replaced them with the Red4 Eclipses.

I think they killed the demand so much that an Eclipse is the most that they will fill so there is no point in having the deckers on a route where they aren't utilised. If I were Transdev though, I would be keeping the seats for another bus (as the RedEx seats are fantastic, much better than the ones on WhichWay) and doing the bus into school spec to rid some of the 1999 Presidents. I know the B7TLs are getting on but if you can withdraw even older buses, they might get another few years out of them.

Indeed. Only three Eclipses tho and the branded ones don't cover the current Covid PVR as it is. At peak times they still will need more capacity. I've been on one of a Friday and it's been heaving! Might be able to provide deckers in the morning and evening and then singles through the day.
 

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Former Red Express B7TL's now on the withdrawn list by the looks. Will be interesting to see what happens with this route.

A former Coast Liner B9 which had been at Rosso for a while is now at Harrogate and is up for sale apparently.
There’s six former Coastliner B9’s (62 plate) now advertised for sale on chartwellbussales.co.uk
 

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B7TL's 3601-3606 are stored for possible re-use rather than withdrawn; other stored vehicles according to WYIS are B10BLEs 305, 542, 1079 and 1129; Scania K230s 1613-1615, B7TL 2726 which has never been used and 3614.
 

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B7TL's 3601-3606 are stored for possible re-use rather than withdrawn; other stored vehicles according to WYIS are B10BLEs 305, 542, 1079 and 1129; Scania K230s 1613-1615, B7TL 2726 which has never been used and 3614.

Yeah good point also totally forgot that WYIS so mentioned some of them might be off to Burnley to help out on the Witch Way temporarily although not note appears to have been taken out.
 
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FD2960DB-DF80-4514-8251-ACB212F0477C.jpegNow this is a game changer, with these getting the ex. Rosso/Coastliners, that means they’ll be 7 ex witchways, hopefully heading to Blackburn....
 

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View attachment 79960Now this is a game changer, with these getting the ex. Rosso/Coastliners, that means they’ll be 7 ex witchways, hopefully heading to Blackburn....
I think the 6 FJ08s to Keighley for Aireline, the 3 ex-RedEx (3601/5/6) for Dalesway this will free up 9/10 Versas for the PVR of 15 for the new Airport routes. Hopefully as you say some BF63s replace the PJ05s on Hotline to Rosso?....
 

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Transdev have indeed confirmed that the Dalesway 66 will be getting a temporary fleet of double decks followed by a permanent fleet of double decks


This follows the announcement that the Aireline 60 will also be getting double decked
taken off the Keighley news section " For the moment, and so we can get these buses on Dalesway quickly, they will be in unfamiliar colours – but they will be well-branded with the green and yellow Dalesway name and image that you’re used to. And they’ll have really comfy leather seats, and free WiFi and USB power at every seat. "
Confirmed as ex-RedEx Geminis for Dalesway and FJ08s for Aireline
 

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I hope this is short term as that is one hell of a downgrade for the 2 routes. 16/17 plate down to 53/08 plate. Very surprise move for Transdev that.

As a regular user of the 66 (although today is the first time I've caught one in 3 months) I'll be very happy to see double deckers on them. Today's 1600 from Keighley did only have 6 of us on, but I'm guessing they'll be getting busier over the next few weeks. The current buses are well built, but were crowded from their introduction.
 

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I hope this is short term as that is one hell of a downgrade for the 2 routes. 16/17 plate down to 53/08 plate. Very surprise move for Transdev that.
So I think I might have solved it, FJ08s to Keighley for the Aireline (if you slap a new front on the FJ08s and stick a private plate on, it'll feel brand new if it's refurbished good enough). There are currently 13 Witch Way BF63s left, my guess is 7 to Blackburn for Hotline to replace PJ05s, 3 to Coastliner (confirmed) and 3 to Keighley for Dalesway (quoted from Keighley news " This is all ahead of an even better fleet of double deck buses dedicated to Dalesway arriving later this year, all with spacious and comfortable first class leather seats for everyone. ") I know the PJ05s have leather seats and are quite spacious, I would personally class the BF63s seats as more first class....
 

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So I think I might have solved it, FJ08s to Keighley for the Aireline (if you slap a new front on the FJ08s and stick a private plate on, it'll feel brand new if it's refurbished good enough). There are currently 13 Witch Way BF63s left, my guess is 7 to Blackburn for Hotline to replace PJ05s, 3 to Coastliner (confirmed) and 3 to Keighley for Dalesway (quoted from Keighley news " This is all ahead of an even better fleet of double deck buses dedicated to Dalesway arriving later this year, all with spacious and comfortable first class leather seats for everyone. ") I know the PJ05s have leather seats and are quite spacious, I would personally class the BF63s seats as more first class....
It would make sense for the 7 WitchWay buses to go to Aireline and the FJ08s to go to Hotline. I'm sure it was mentioned at some point that the Hotline doesn't make enough money to support the BF63s.
 

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it's expected...they replaced 64 plate Streetlites in Burnley with 2001 Y reg B10BLEs....

The streetlite’s were quote “the worst things ever” “horrible” they just weren’t upto standard for Burnley’s local routes. One in particular has a slight hill which they’d change gear 16 times trying to get up. And the condition of the B10s is exemplary given their age, and far more reliable. Yes they’re older but I prefer them over streetlite’s
 

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There’s only two (2791/2) of the 08s out of service, this one being 2792. There is at least one peak diagram that uses a DD that may use these 08 plates as a backup, alongside 6 all day diagrams that I think might still get Witches. Dalesway getting Witches later in the year makes sense.
If these 6x Rosso deckers are going elsewhere what is replacing them? The freed up Gemini’s from Keighley/York/etc?
 

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Another step closer to normal timetables from the 5th (https://www.transdevbus.co.uk/keighley/were-getting-back-normal-more-buses-5-july-3).

Oddities in Keighley include:

The 662 Shuttle - the late 0020 service from Bradford is back on a Saturday night but not a Friday.

The 62 will be serving Leeds Bradford Airport again - every 2 hours during the week, but hourly on a Sunday.

The B3 won't run between Oxenhope and Hebden Bridge at all Mondays-Fridays. The B1 and B2 still alternate on a Saturday, every 2 hours each, so the B2 is twice as frequent on a Sunday as on a Saturday.

The K9 is half the Monday to Friday frequency on a Saturday.
 

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Similar increases at Harrogate from 5 July https://www.transdevbus.co.uk/harrogate/were-getting-back-normal-more-buses-5-july-1 Monday-Friday daytimes with the 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 2A, 2B, 3, 6, 7 and 36 returning largely to normal times but still reduced in the evenings and at weekends. Will mean an increased use of non 36 vehicles on the 36 given the loss of 3615; presumably an equivalent decreased likelihood of a double decker on the 7.
 

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Another step closer to normal timetables from the 5th (https://www.transdevbus.co.uk/keighley/were-getting-back-normal-more-buses-5-july-3).

Oddities in Keighley include:

The 662 Shuttle - the late 0020 service from Bradford is back on a Saturday night but not a Friday.

The 62 will be serving Leeds Bradford Airport again - every 2 hours during the week, but hourly on a Sunday.

The B3 won't run between Oxenhope and Hebden Bridge at all Mondays-Fridays. The B1 and B2 still alternate on a Saturday, every 2 hours each, so the B2 is twice as frequent on a Sunday as on a Saturday.

The K9 is half the Monday to Friday frequency on a Saturday.

The B3 not running on weekdays is because the A6033 will be closed for roadworks for at least 6 weeks from July 6th.
 

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It's good to see that Transdev are upping their services, and giving plenty of notice, unlike a well known international transport group whose boss previously worked for Transdev. Reluctant to do anything until forced and no notice given, but there's a whole thread to discuss that problem company.
 

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What a downgrade...
The 6 airline versa are probably staying as this is not all comfirmed. The new double deckers will work the busiest services and versa work along side then eventually airline might double in frequency so versas will be needed. During the day and the first keighley to leeds bus never has no more than 12!
As being a regular user the 3rd to 8th bus from keighley to leeds should be double decker then versas take over during the day-off peak and evening duties. Don't forget you still need the current and enough buses to cover for maintenence etc
I can't see quality 3 year versa stock just going like that. They are branded and still do or assist part of the service
 

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The 6 airline versa are probably staying as this is not all comfirmed. The new double deckers will work the busiest services and versa work along side then eventually airline might double in frequency so versas will be needed. During the day and the first keighley to leeds bus never has no more than 12!
As being a regular user the 3rd to 8th bus from keighley to leeds should be double decker then versas take over during the day-off peak and evening duties. Don't forget you still need the current and enough buses to cover for maintenence etc
I can't see quality 3 year versa stock just going like that. They are branded and still do or assist part of the service
There is a picture of one of the 67 plate Aireline Versas at Bus & Coach World, and it's almost certainly been confirmed that the Versas are being replaced off the route
 

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What a downgrade...
How is an increase in capacity a downgrade? This offers a quick and easy way of doing it. In my opinion Aireline shouldn't have been downgraded to single deckers in the first place when they originally got the Versas - a fact proved when they started putting double deckers on some peak hour journeys (I can't comment on Dalesway as I have no experience of using it).
Unless you think that the only kind of upgrade is shiny new vehicles....
 

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How is an increase in capacity a downgrade? This offers a quick and easy way of doing it. In my opinion Aireline shouldn't have been downgraded to single deckers in the first place when they originally got the Versas - a fact proved when they started putting double deckers on some peak hour journeys (I can't comment on Dalesway as I have no experience of using it).
Unless you think that the only kind of upgrade is shiny new vehicles....
I think it's more to do with the fact they need some single decks to operate the new Airport contract.
I'm yet to be convinced that the 60 will be all 08 reg deckers off Coastliner, after all there's not enough of them to start with. I'd reckon 6x Witches to replace the Versas and 2x 08s to replace the B7 Geminis on peak extras. Dalesway is getting some RedExpress B7s temporarily, and I think similar will happen with Aireline.
 

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The B3 not running on weekdays is because the A6033 will be closed for roadworks for at least 6 weeks from July 6th.

Calderdale Council say it's scheduled to last 20 weeks. It's a shame there seems to be no provision for any alternative on the Hebden Bridge side - it's a significant part of the service to Pecket Well.
 

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How is an increase in capacity a downgrade? This offers a quick and easy way of doing it. In my opinion Aireline shouldn't have been downgraded to single deckers in the first place when they originally got the Versas - a fact proved when they started putting double deckers on some peak hour journeys (I can't comment on Dalesway as I have no experience of using it).
Unless you think that the only kind of upgrade is shiny new vehicles....

They clearly need deckers on the Aireline. Some journeys already had them and need those replacing with CAZ compliant vehicles anyway. With social distancing, they will need additional DDs.

With new deckers for Witch Way and Cityzap (and having already spent on a new fleet for the Blackburn 1), there's only so many new vehicles that can be justified so some refurbished deckers is probably the sensible way to approach it. However, some people won't be able to see past their own entrenched views.
 

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