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Will be 18 Double set services daily as of next monday.
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ValleyLines142
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Not sure if it has already been mentioned but the 1427 Plymouth to Edinburgh is usually a 9-car set as far as Newcastle.
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Booked an 8 but can often drop a 9 as already discussed.
Jamesrob637
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Was a 9 when seen on the picturesque Dawlish sea wall last Wednesday.
ValleyLines142
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Fair enough. Every time I've seen it it's been a 9. Three times in two weeks and also journey check today is listing it as a 9
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A double going to Manchester today actually showing on Journey Check - a rarity on a Saturday. Earlier arrivals could have been a double too but I wasn't up early to look 
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1O04 - 0511 Manchester - Bournemouth is a 9 car throughout today
1M18 - 0515 Southampton - Manchester is also a 9 car throughout
1S37 - 0525 Plymouth - Newcastle is an 8 car throughout
1M18 - 0515 Southampton - Manchester is also a 9 car throughout
1S37 - 0525 Plymouth - Newcastle is an 8 car throughout
221129
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There should be 18 double sets today.
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1S29 throughout
1S31, 1V64 throughout
1H09, 1O10, 1M42, 1O26 throughout
1O02, 1M38, 1O24, 1M70 throughout
1S33 throughout then 1V58 splits at Plymouth
1H14, 1O12, 1M62, 1G91 throughout
1O04, 1M46, 1O28 throughout
1M18, 1O14, 1M50, 1O30 Throughout
1S35 throughout 1V68 split at Birmingham
1O06 from Derby, 1M34, 1O22, 1M78 throughout
1M22, 1O16, 1M66, 1G92 throughout
1S37, 1V62 throughout
1O08, 1M54 throughout 1O34 split at Birmingham
1V46 throughout 1S55 splits at Newcastle
1M26, 1O18, 1M58 throughout
1V60 between Edinburgh and Plymouth
1V48, 1S47, 1C99 throughout
1M30, 1O20 throughout 1M74 split at Birmingham
1S41, 1V66 throughout
1V52, 1E67 throughout
1V54 throughout 1S53 split at Newcastle
1S49 attach at Bristol
So at least 22 double set diagrams out today. (I got bored looking past 1545.)
1S31, 1V64 throughout
1H09, 1O10, 1M42, 1O26 throughout
1O02, 1M38, 1O24, 1M70 throughout
1S33 throughout then 1V58 splits at Plymouth
1H14, 1O12, 1M62, 1G91 throughout
1O04, 1M46, 1O28 throughout
1M18, 1O14, 1M50, 1O30 Throughout
1S35 throughout 1V68 split at Birmingham
1O06 from Derby, 1M34, 1O22, 1M78 throughout
1M22, 1O16, 1M66, 1G92 throughout
1S37, 1V62 throughout
1O08, 1M54 throughout 1O34 split at Birmingham
1V46 throughout 1S55 splits at Newcastle
1M26, 1O18, 1M58 throughout
1V60 between Edinburgh and Plymouth
1V48, 1S47, 1C99 throughout
1M30, 1O20 throughout 1M74 split at Birmingham
1S41, 1V66 throughout
1V52, 1E67 throughout
1V54 throughout 1S53 split at Newcastle
1S49 attach at Bristol
So at least 22 double set diagrams out today. (I got bored looking past 1545.)
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As put out before, while 5 car and 4 car sets have separate diagrams, in practice they operate as a common fleet.
Edited to add this is relevant as it highlights why a 9 or 10 coach double set can turn up on diagrams officially booked for 8 cars.
Edited to add this is relevant as it highlights why a 9 or 10 coach double set can turn up on diagrams officially booked for 8 cars.
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221129
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Not sure what your point is there?
ValleyLines142
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Maybe because I was asking about 1S55, which I've seen as a 220+220 and a 220+221.
I maybe wrong, but I don't think specific diagrams are booked 220 + 221 vs 220 +220. I think services are just booked either Voyager or Double Voyager (or HST). 221129 will know.
ValleyLines142
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Well that's what @Rich McLean was saying. They have separate diagrams but in reality they operate as a common pool.
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221s and 220s have separate diagrams. Thus you can have specific 9 and 8 car diagrams.
Jamesrob637
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Pretty much everything into Manchester is a double this week; not sure yet about the weekend. This info from a friend who works on the railways. Don't know if that makes up for the lack of the second arrival or not! Ideally there would be two per hour both doubles but XC obviously haven't got the rolling stock to double up everything under normal circumstances.
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The first single set in Manchester is 1V94 at 2027 this evening and 1M74 arriving at 2324.Everything else is a double
Jamesrob637
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1M74 loses a set at Birmingham to proceed back to Central Rivers?
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Correct
221129
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As listed in my post yesterday.
I have seen a lot of double sets of voyagers running through Banbury recently, including many 9 car sets and a 10 car set the other day.
I am also still seeing a lot of 4 car single sets running. It is a shame that XC can’t organise it so that services are formed of mainly 5 car and 8 car sets (I know it is not as easy as it sounds due to the complexity of XC diagrams)
I am also still seeing a lot of 4 car single sets running. It is a shame that XC can’t organise it so that services are formed of mainly 5 car and 8 car sets (I know it is not as easy as it sounds due to the complexity of XC diagrams)
There is a very easy to use search facility in Realtimetrains. Simply type the headcode into the search box at the top of the page or change the headcode in this link.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/handler?qsearch=1M18&type=detailed
For example
1M18 0515 Southampton Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1O14 1027 Manchester Piccadilly to Reading
1M50 1415 Reading to Manchester Piccadilly
1O30 1827 Manchester Piccadilly to Bournemouth
took a matter of seconds to look up
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Hopefully the Avanti West Coast 221's will transfer to XC when they become available - if it was me I'd therefore recruit more staff so that there would be 17 8-car (double 4-car) Voyagers!
Took me half a minute to identify those 4, as my tablet doesn't do split-screen, so about a minute to copy and paste the timetable info you kindly added.
Fine for an odd train, but not for a list of 60--odd.
I know some insiders have access to information that only has headcodes, and don't have time/energy to do more, and I appreciate what they provide, but it isn't a format members can easily access.
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So it did take a matter of seconds then. For what it is worth it took well over an hour and a half to look it all up manually between trains at work, to provide the diagrams. If people want the info then there needs to be a bit of give and take.
1M38 0945 BMH to MAN showing as 9 car at Coventry and 221121 + 221136 turned up. First class is in coaches 1 and 10 but I don't think either are locked out.
And for what it's worth, I find it much easier to search for a service when a headcode is provided, otherwise it's a lot of messing around with the location and time etc.
And for what it's worth, I find it much easier to search for a service when a headcode is provided, otherwise it's a lot of messing around with the location and time etc.
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221136 is a 4 car...
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