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Crossrail opening delayed (opening date not yet known)

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Can anyone confirm if all the east side platform extensions are complete and commissioned ? Many were not commissioned last time I used the line (both on the Electric lines and the mainlines).

This would be a show stopper for full services.

I can confirm that none have been commissioned. The London end of platform 4 (towards London) has been commissioned at Romford. But only so the country end can shortened whilst the lifts are installed.

The last I saw they were all due to be completed in the Summer of 2020.
 
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Does the latest development mean that the title needs to be updated to an expected opening date of 2021/22?
 

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It is also worth mentioning that the existing surface station were originally not going to be accessible, but the London Assembly and Mayor added that to the spec for NR to do but forgot to find any money for NR to do the work. (Another item eventually coming home to roost).
 

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Does the latest development mean that the title needs to be updated to an expected opening date of 2021/22?
Through running hasn't been scheduled before the middle of 2022 for some time. The pertinent quote from the Crossrail website is:

A programme of this scale and complexity was already challenging, the impact of COVID-19 has clearly made the existing pressures more acute. Due to a pause of physical activity on sites and significant constraints on ongoing work – time has been lost, only some of which can be recovered. The opening of the central section between Paddington and Abbey Wood next summer [2021], as announced earlier this year prior to COVID-19, is not achievable.

https://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/articles/update-following-crossrail-board-july-2020

Full quote:
UPDATE FOLLOWING CROSSRAIL BOARD – JULY 2020
Thursday 23rd July 2020
By Crossrail Ltd

The Crossrail Ltd Board today met and considered the latest update from the leadership team concerning the impact of COVID-19 on progress to complete the Elizabeth line.
Delivery of the Elizabeth line is now in its complex final stages with a comprehensive plan to complete the railway focused on completing the remaining construction and systems integration followed by intensive operational testing.
A programme of this scale and complexity was already challenging, the impact of COVID-19 has clearly made the existing pressures more acute. Due to a pause of physical activity on sites and significant constraints on ongoing work – time has been lost, only some of which can be recovered. The opening of the central section between Paddington and Abbey Wood next summer, as announced earlier this year prior to COVID-19, is not achievable.
Further work is required on the detailed recovery plan which re-sequences the remaining work to complete the railway and fully assess the financial implications of COVID-19 on the programme. A more comprehensive update will be issued in due course; work continues to refine and validate the remaining work schedule and associated costs.

Mark Wild, Chief Executive, Crossrail Ltd, said: “Everyone working on the Crossrail project knows London needs the Elizabeth line more than ever and we are doing everything possible to deliver the railway as safely and as quickly as we can. We have a comprehensive plan to complete the railway but existing schedule pressure along with COVID-19 has impacted the programme and time has been lost. Further work is being undertaken to finalise our detailed recovery plan which re-sequences the remaining work.
“We are striving to commence intensive operational testing for the Elizabeth line, known as Trial Running, at the earliest opportunity. Our focus right now is on completing the remaining infrastructure works so that we can fully test the railway. Crossrail will undertake a period of intensive construction activity starting this August across the tunnels, portals and shafts to help recover lost time and complete the remaining construction works for Trial Running as we progress towards this next important phase.”
Crossrail is one of the UK’s most complex infrastructure projects, comprised of millions of separate elements all of which have to work reliably to ensure the successful operation of the railway and the safety of passengers who will use it every day. Much of the remaining work involves hooking up, integrating and testing the completed infrastructure and railway systems along with the finalisation of the extensive safety case to the Office of Rail and Road who will give the go-ahead to commence Trial Running.
COVID-19 has added to the challenge. Construction works were halted in March as the country went into lockdown and although it has been possible to resume works at a reduced rate, in line with social distancing guidance, the virus has delayed the project’s progress. Faced with these challenges, Crossrail has responded by re-sequencing works and undertaking a construction blockade across the tunnels, portals and shafts starting in August to help recover lost time and complete the outstanding tasks for Trial Running as quickly as possible.
Despite the challenges presented by COVID-19, good progress continues to be made with completing the remaining construction works, with much of this work coming to an end along with software testing for the signalling and train systems. The focus is completing the outstanding works across the tunnels, shafts and portals so that intensive operational testing can begin and the Elizabeth line can be delivered at the earliest opportunity.

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Trial Running marks a key point in the project’s transition to an operational railway and is a critical step forward in making possible the opening of passenger services between Paddington and Abbey Wood. Trial Running will see multiple trains operating in the tunnels to fully test the timetable and build reliability while the final works to the stations are completed.
Physical works on Crossrail sites was temporarily paused on 24 March as was Dynamic Testing in the tunnels, verification and assurance work continued on sites during the safe stop. This decision was taken in accordance with the guidance at the time from the Government and Public Health England, to ensure that our sites complied with the guidance on social distancing to keep our workforce safe. Physical activity on Crossrail sites recommenced on 15 June and Dynamic Testing in the tunnels resumed on 30 May.
 

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I think we can probably infer at this point, May 2022 seems the earliest opening time.
 

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I think we can probably infer at this point, May 2022 seems the earliest opening time.
The press release implies that even the people planning the delivery don't yet know but have they really lost nine months relative to their plan in January this year?
 

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The press release implies that even the people planning the delivery don't yet know but have they really lost nine months relative to their plan in January this year?

Well the Crossrail website says:

Crossrail Ltd plans to bring the Elizabeth line into passenger service as soon as practically possible in 2021

Assuming that was probably December 2021 and coincides with a timetable, any lost time will be shoved forward to the next timetable, probably May. Because otherwise its impractical especially with the implications for Paddington & Liverpool St
 

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It wouldn't be so bad but most areas are in a good state to open, they just aren't 'perfect'. Trains are running which means the railway is clearly safe. To an outsider, it literally just looks like it's just a few bits which need doing and then the core can open.

With the delays of this project, It wouldn't surprise me if it's just contractors being slow and constantly pushing the dates back to try and get more money. If there was a will to get the project completed, it would have been done by now. I can understand delays with a project so big and no one could have predicted Covid but even so, the delays to Crossrail have been bonkers, there has to be someone delaying the project for financial gain given there seems to be no penalty for not having the project done.
 

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We've got a London transport system that is severely constrained on capacity due to social distancing and just when we need this capacity it gets pushed back yet again. They should have just stuck up some signals and at least got a limited service running from Abbey Wood like the Jubilee line did when they realised the clever signalling wasn't going to work.

As for NR there now forecasting spending 3B on the surface works which is just extraordinary already up from 2.6B in 2018 and 2.3B in 2015. Stations are the Achilles heel not infrastructure works which has gone reasonably well.
 

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Assuming that was probably December 2021 and coincides with a timetable, any lost time will be shoved forward to the next timetable, probably May. Because otherwise its impractical especially with the implications for Paddington & Liverpool St

Couldn't they just run an interim Paddington to Abbey Wood service without interfering at all with National Rail operations?
 

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Couldn't they just run an interim Paddington to Abbey Wood service without interfering at all with National Rail operations?
That is what they are going to do.

Unfortunately they aren't ready yet. It looks like it will operate in three Sections for at least six months.
 

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How complete is the network west of Paddington XR station? Is that portal closer to completion? Rather than focussing so much on starting Abbey Wood, would it be unreasonable to expect a start from the other end even just the Heathrow services (doing wrong line running from the portal to Paddington XR station?). This would be a test start for the service and it's easier to expand the service in stages in a useful way from west to east (Paddington then Whitechapel then Custom House then Abbey Wood). I know we don't want more stages but at this point, I think the public confidence is so low, there just needs to be a lot of focus onto a small section and get that open before expanding it slowly.
 

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What would be the point of running to a slightly different, less convenient part of London Paddington?
 

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What would be the point of running to a slightly different, less convenient part of London Paddington?
Simply to open at least 1 station to try and get passengers familiar with the station and as I say it's easier to do useful expansions west to east as the next terminating station could be Whitechapel which covers most of Central London.
It also builds on an existing service meaning it is less hindered by route knowledge and existing drivers can do it quite easily.

Abbey Wood seems to be the current aim for launch and for Abbey Wood to open, you need the whole core to be open for the service to be useful to people meaning a lot more needs doing before launch.
 
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As dynamic testing is about to start I'm not really getting why it can't open in a year. What exactly has the pause for Covid affected?
 

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How complete is the network west of Paddington XR station? Is that portal closer to completion? Rather than focussing so much on starting Abbey Wood, would it be unreasonable to expect a start from the other end even just the Heathrow services (doing wrong line running from the portal to Paddington XR station?). This would be a test start for the service and it's easier to expand the service in stages in a useful way from west to east (Paddington then Whitechapel then Custom House then Abbey Wood). I know we don't want more stages but at this point, I think the public confidence is so low, there just needs to be a lot of focus onto a small section and get that open before expanding it slowly.

Around the time of the original opening date, I seem to recall they looked at a similar plan for the Shenfield branch as one of the last ditch plans - run to Liverpool Street XR and reverse - but it was deemed impractical as it would interfere with dynamic testing on the rest of the core
 

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Simply to open at least 1 station to try and get passengers familiar with the station and as I say it's easier to do useful expansions west to east as the next terminating station could be Whitechapel which covers most of Central London.
It also builds on an existing service meaning it is less hindered by route knowledge and existing drivers can do it quite easily.

Abbey Wood seems to be the current aim for launch and for Abbey Wood to open, you need the whole core to be open for the service to be useful to people meaning a lot more needs doing before launch.
What you are suggesting in multiple post is some what detached from reality.

Opening the core is not about providing a useful service it is about a quiet opening to allow issues to be found and resolved and for lots of people to learn how to use it before it gets busy

The plan has always been
3. Abbey Wood - Paddington Low Level, which is independent of NR operations
4. Shenfield - Paddington (virtually all Shenfield services will turnback after Paddington LL so this represents the final configuration as such)
5. Reading /Heathrow etc to Abbey Wood.

Whitechapel is incapable of turn-back in the way you think. Only Paddington LL is capable of high volume of in service trains and only then those coming from the Core not the GWML.

Bond Street is the most behind station.
Paddington also has plenty of work left to do is is certainly not on most people's first station to open lists.

The Paddington LL Crossrail to Bakerloo pedestrian tunnel was value engineered out then added back in later while mostly complete the work to opening up at the Bakerloo station / platforms end had only just started pre Covid lock down and the Bakerloo connectivity is impared currently so until that is all finished no CR opening

[Developers were (pre Covid) going to fund rebuilding the Paddington Bakerloo line station]

The portal are complete the main issue is the change over of signalling systems near by:
At Stratford in the platforms while stationary so easier.
At Westbourne on the move so potentially harder, hence this being left till last.

The transition on the GW side is AWS/TPWS to CBTC but NR are currently installing ETCS inwards from Heathrow Junction hence if it drags on for a bit there is the potential to avoid changing over from ETCS at Heathrow Jn (when coming of the Heathrow Branch) to AWS/TPWS but to stay on ETCS till Westbourne.
 

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As dynamic testing is about to start I'm not really getting why it can't open in a year. What exactly has the pause for Covid affected?
A batch of dymanic testing after which more software tweaks needed multiple rounds of test the sort code as needed). The plan is 24/7 construction work outside the dynamic testing windows.

There is still loads of construction to finish especially at Bond Street.
 

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Nothing hugely concrete, just opening "as soon as we possibly can".

Mentions the construction blockade. And that trial running and integrated testing will occur after that.
 

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What's most concerning to me about this is even up to June the executives were saying covid wouldn't affect the date. That was obviously ridiculously optimistic, which suggests culture hasn't changed that much there despite the new management.
 

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Am I right in thinking that all the rolloing stock has been delivered? If so, if only some is being used currently, is the stock rotated to ensure all gets used, or is some stock still in 'as delivered' condition?
 

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Am I right in thinking that all the rolloing stock has been delivered? If so, if only some is being used currently, is the stock rotated to ensure all gets used, or is some stock still in 'as delivered' condition?
Stock gets shifted West to East and VV most weeks so i guess that could be to do this as it would be unwise to vehicles stationary for too long at Old Oak Common
 

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Looks like no nine cars are working now so no opening of Crossrail Central core even if it was ready.
Not quite:
9-car 345068 has been doing test runs for the last week or so - Reading for three nights on 13/14/15 July then trips to Heathrow on the evenings of 16/17/20-24 July.
9-car workings in the tunnel had already restarted before then (but of course won't happen during the August blockade).

Clearly no 9-car working in service for the time being but the lack of a confirmed date doesn't give any indication of how long the delay is going to be. There has been more movement of 9-cars around the depot in the last few days.

Am I right in thinking that all the rolloing stock has been delivered? If so, if only some is being used currently, is the stock rotated to ensure all gets used, or is some stock still in 'as delivered' condition?
All of the 70 units have been used for something now, whether it be 7-car passenger working, 9-car passenger working, 9-car tunnel testing, 9-car testing on the Old Dalby test track, 9-car ECTS testing to Heathrow, 9-car training runs to Reading, etc. By my reckoning 345003/05-17/20-22/27-30/34/35/37-40/42/44/47/49/51-55/57-61/63-65 have carried passengers.

Stock gets shifted West to East and VV most weeks so i guess that could be to do this as it would be unwise to vehicles stationary for too long at Old Oak Common
The only shifting between West and East is of 7-car units and it has mainly stopped since the 9-car units were taken out of service. There are quite a few units which haven't left the Old Oak Common area since 12 June (although they do shunt around the depot area).
 
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Noting the informative responses provided by hwl of this parish one wonders what happened to the all the programmed contingency which must have been put in at the last programme re-baselining? I thought this was the explanation the previous 'sometime' in 2021 opening (or sooner) 'confidence'? So yes, C19 has obviously introduced further delay into proceedings but extra months over and above that already allowed for contingencies? Shumfin shmells a bit fishy methinks.

Then again they aren't the first and won't be the last organisation to use C19 as the excuse for all manner of their own failings. Manna from heaven in some circles.
 

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I assume given the claim the final train software is now nearly complete (as stated in the progress video) that 9 cars would return when it has been tested, at the latest.

Maybe they are concentrating on this goal rather than patching bugs in the current version.
 

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Noting the informative responses provided by hwl of this parish one wonders what happened to the all the programmed contingency which must have been put in at the last programme re-baselining? I thought this was the explanation the previous 'sometime' in 2021 opening (or sooner) 'confidence'? So yes, C19 has obviously introduced further delay into proceedings but extra months over and above that already allowed for contingencies? Shumfin shmells a bit fishy methinks.

Then again they aren't the first and won't be the last organisation to use C19 as the excuse for all manner of their own failings. Manna from heaven in some circles.
The Costain Skanska JV responsible for Bond Street have **recently** been removed from the contract for continued non delivery and not engaging on post Covid replanning. everyThe time taken t complee
Bond Street was the first station contract let and the widely held view is that they under bid and did not fully understand the M+E and systems integration requirements.


Separately HS2 is being taken to court for awarding CS et al. a station contract partly based on its successful delivery of Bond Street. HS2 are claiming that they knew nothing about Bond Street problems which have been in the trade press for the last 5 years. The autopsies suggest the Bond Street issues began to be noticeable in summer 2013.
 

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Which station contract was awarded?, and to whom?
Also who is it who is taking HS2 to court?
Thanks :)
Apologies the 2 tunnelling contracts inside the M25 including the Euston throat work
 
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