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We said initially that the 10minute frequency on the Rainbow One was unnecessary - they could have scrapped the Heanor shorts. Now regularly seeing busy buses - no available double seats this morning when my Mum got on to go to an appointment in Nottingham. The return bus - an Alfreton - at lunchtime was also fairly busy.
 
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I think buses got increased back to 'normal' frequencies too quickly and some of the very frequent routes could and should be slightly reduced to match passenger numbers. Ie 7/8 down to every 10, every 10 down to every 12. Small things like that take a huge amount of buses off the road and help to cover the costs of each bus easier.

I don't think TBs issues are helped by Derby Bus Station being a mess so the routes are from different stopping points depending on the time of day.
Very true. I would say the mickelover would be better at every 10 min which would take a quarter (2 of 8) of the buses off the road. It also has the villager running along most of its route. I think they rushed on some routes but not others as most of the sixes is still reduced and other routes like the black cat, 90, 141 are still around two hourly while most other routes are now at full timetables during the day.
 

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Very true. I would say the mickelover would be better at every 10 min which would take a quarter (2 of 8) of the buses off the road. It also has the villager running along most of its route. I think they rushed on some routes but not others as most of the sixes is still reduced and other routes like the black cat, 90, 141 are still around two hourly while most other routes are now at full timetables during the day.
And what about the Allestree ? Frequency at the moment is a joke - every 15 mins would probably be best
 

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And what about the Allestree ? Frequency at the moment is a joke - every 15 mins would probably be best
Whilst I would agree that it maybe need a increase looking at the 'when to catch my bus' PDF it looks like the allestree is fairly empty for most of the day.
 

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We said initially that the 10minute frequency on the Rainbow One was unnecessary - they could have scrapped the Heanor shorts. Now regularly seeing busy buses - no available double seats this morning when my Mum got on to go to an appointment in Nottingham. The return bus - an Alfreton - at lunchtime was also fairly busy.
If only Trent Barton had double deckers, there’d be plenty of room to socially distance...
 

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I don't understand why Calverton's busiest time is 6-7 am!
Depends how they are timing the data - if its the time of boarding then that includes the 727 and 744 arrivals in Nottingham in terms of people boarding anywhere in Calverton on the first of those and at the terminus on other; the next does not arrive until 759. Then again they may be relating the time in table to that of the original departure so counting all passengers joining after 7 because the working started earlier.
 

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Depends how they are timing the data - if its the time of boarding then that includes the 727 and 744 arrivals in Nottingham in terms of people boarding anywhere in Calverton on the first of those and at the terminus on other; the next does not arrive until 759. Then again they may be relating the time in table to that of the original departure so counting all passengers joining after 7 because the working started earlier.
That makes sense. But you could also say the same thing about timing of the evening buses?
 

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That makes sense. But you could also say the same thing about timing of the evening buses?
The AM peak is usually more condensed; you have a lot of people who start work at 8am but finish at varying times.
 

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The AM peak is usually more condensed; you have a lot of people who start work at 8am but finish at varying times.
Not to mention you have the morning peak traffic mixed in with school movements, whereas on an afternoon those are split with schools finishing 3-4pm and evening peak anywhere from 1630-1830.
 
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Well its goodbye to the X1 then:

From Derbyshire County Council: https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/trans...nges/forthcoming-changes-to-bus-services.aspx

From Tuesday 1 September 2020
Most Stagecoach Chesterfield and Yorkshire services will be restored to pre-COVID levels with some exceptions:
  • service 2c: college bus withdrawn: between Walton and Chesterfield maintained as service 2
  • service 55: Chesterfield to Clay Cross short journeys not reintroduced
  • service 56: existing timetable to be continued, running every 2hours
  • service 91: daytime frequency to remain hourly
  • service X1: service not to be reintroduced
  • service X18: college bus withdrawn
  • service X55: college bus withdrawn - service between Alfreton and Chesterfield maintained as service 55
 

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In fairness, it doesn't say the X1 is withdrawn like the college services, just that won't be reintroduced with the other services (or that's how I read it anyway)
 
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At the Nottingham end it wasn't carrying many passengers full stop - mostly low single figures, if any at all, so I would be amazed(and delighted as it stops on my doorstep) if it was reintroduced,
 

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It was only given a few months to build its usage. Very few new routes carry lots of passengers from day 1.
My guess with the current pandemic going on they couldn't justify the losses while passenger numbers build up - never say never to it coming back but I don't think it will be for a while!
 

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I've been surprised to see quite busy Mainline and 27 buses today and yesterday. Fingers crossed things will go back to some normality
 

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My guess with the current pandemic going on they couldn't justify the losses while passenger numbers build up - never say never to it coming back but I don't think it will be for a while!
I can agree with, just explaining that the Nottingham end will inevitably be quiet after only 3 months of service.
 
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I can agree with, just explaining that the Nottingham end will inevitably be quiet after only 3 months of service.

Service ran from end of October until presumably late March - so nearly 5 months.......
I thought it might do better but when you consider they didn't even have a timetable up at McArthur Glen Retail Park for it (still showing the old 54 in late November) then it probably was rather doomed.
 

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It was only given a few months to build its usage. Very few new routes carry lots of passengers from day 1.
It was a shame that the X1 wasn’t bolted onto the X17 Sheffield - Chesterfield limited stop, it would have offered through journeys to Sheffield and Meadowhall from south Chesterfield and Clay Cross etc
 

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Well its goodbye to the X1 then:

From Derbyshire County Council: https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/trans...nges/forthcoming-changes-to-bus-services.aspx

From Tuesday 1 September 2020
Most Stagecoach Chesterfield and Yorkshire services will be restored to pre-COVID levels with some exceptions:
  • service 2c: college bus withdrawn: between Walton and Chesterfield maintained as service 2
  • service 55: Chesterfield to Clay Cross short journeys not reintroduced
  • service 56: existing timetable to be continued, running every 2hours
  • service 91: daytime frequency to remain hourly
  • service X1: service not to be reintroduced
  • service X18: college bus withdrawn
  • service X55: college bus withdrawn - service between Alfreton and Chesterfield maintained as service 55
I can’t see any of the above services being reinstated, these cuts probably save around 6 peak hour vehicles, so potentially an annual operating saving of close on £1m
 

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It was a shame that the X1 wasn’t bolted onto the X17 Sheffield - Chesterfield limited stop, it would have offered through journeys to Sheffield and Meadowhall from south Chesterfield and Clay Cross etc
You would have to link onto the Barnsley X17 trips so you would be looking at like a 3 hour 20 trip end to end. Even Sheffield to Nottingham though, you would be looking at 2h 10. That is one very long journey.

To be fair, I'd say that those who would visit Meadowhall would just as happily visit the outlet (and vice versa).
 

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Agree a very long trip end to end which, of course long distance passengers would opt for the train, OAPs may use the free bus though, and in the winter it would be cheaper than heating the home!

Seriously though, there would be some useful cross Chesterfield and Sheffield journey opportunities

Thousands of houses have and are being built along the A61 between Chesterfield and Clay Cross, so through limited stop buses to Whittington Moor, Woodseats, Sheffield and Meadowhall
 

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Agree a very long trip end to end which, of course long distance passengers would opt for the train, OAPs may use the free bus though, and in the winter it would be cheaper than heating the home!

Seriously though, there would be some useful cross Chesterfield and Sheffield journey opportunities

Thousands of houses have and are being built along the A61 between Chesterfield and Clay Cross, so through limited stop buses to Whittington Moor, Woodseats, Sheffield and Meadowhall
I could see some potential like the 55 and X17 (purely for an example) but not onwards to Nottingham simply because of the journey time. Stagecoach try to not go over 2 hours normally for an end to end journey (Some exceptions of course)
 

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To be fair, I'd say that those who would visit Meadowhall would just as happily visit the outlet (and vice versa).
If that was true, nobody from Nottingham would get to Meadowhall as you go right past the outlet on the M1 to get there.

The two centres have very different appeal.
 

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If that was true, nobody from Nottingham would get to Meadowhall as you go right past the outlet on the M1 to get there.

The two centres have very different appeal.
How many people actually make the journey. Then take about 5% of that who are willing to make the journey by bus taking over 2 hours (compared to around 1 hour by train). Do you really think a bus is going to make much (if any) money on that journey?
 

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I think buses got increased back to 'normal' frequencies too quickly and some of the very frequent routes could and should be slightly reduced to match passenger numbers. Ie 7/8 down to every 10, every 10 down to every 12. Small things like that take a huge amount of buses off the road and help to cover the costs of each bus easier.

I think they rushed on some routes but not others as most of the sixes is still reduced and other routes like the black cat, 90, 141 are still around two hourly while most other routes are now at full timetables during the day.

I’m surprised that Trent Barton have not announced any more timetable changes for the beginning of August. I would have thought that some of the hourly services, like the Amberline, Black Cat, 90 and 141 would be restored to hourly by now. Continuing to run only every 2 hours, with very limited services at peak times, is not going to encourage passengers, especially from the villages, back onto the buses. It doesn’t help that these considerably reduced timetables are not advertised at bus stops.

My observations from seeing buses passing through Hucknall during the middle of the day, are that the Threes are running every 10 minutes with very few passengers and yet the 141 is getting quite busy. The 141, 90 and Black Cat all provide alternative local journeys for parts of the Threes route. The Threes are running every 10 minutes direct between Hucknall and Nottingham and yet the large new housing developments off Papplewick Lane and Bestwood Village are only getting about 6 buses a day on the 141 route.
 

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i4 was relatively busy while the L10 was quite busy about Beeston at lunch today :)
 

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Also, Mango Card is apparently getting its own app, with users getting an email about it.
 

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