ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

I thought that they had all gone already. Are there still more to go?

InOban said:

I thought that they had all gone already. Are there still more to go?

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Believe 418 & 419 still to move according to EMR 170 thread.

2 questions

Firstly slightly off-topic, what extent are eastmidlands refurbishing the interior of the former ScotRail 170 units? I hope it's good as it needs to be

and now back on topic, the latest inter7city sets coming back up and intertraffic, are there any notable differences or changes from the first couple? Bearing in mind that I haven't written on any of them for ages and I kept getting the first one 11 I did get it or classic set before they were withdrawn.

Goldromans said:

Great to see the Inter7City branding on the departure boards! (picture from @InvHst I believe?)https://twitter.com/callumgreeninv/status/1288396704551702528?s=21

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Am I the only one that’s noticed it says ‘a Inter7City’ when it should say ‘an Inter7City’

Voyager lad said:

Am I the only one that’s noticed it says ‘a Inter7City’ when it should say ‘an Inter7City’

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I noticed that too, my assumption was that it's meant to sound more Scottish as the 'I' sound is less prominent, but thinking about it that seems less and less logical.

3973EXL said:

Believe 418 & 419 still to move according to EMR 170 thread.

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Correct, 418 is still in full SpotRail livery (without ScotRail logo) while 419 remains in unbranded First Group purple.

Path in today for next refurb set

It's taking a rather strange route through Edinburgh. Instead of taking the Sub, if it needs to be turned round, or going through the north side of Waverley if it doesn't, it's going through the south side of Waverley and then doing some complicated manoeuvres using the various Haymarket junctions.

Does anyone know if 43036 is repaired or still out of service

Power car move cancelled.

InOban said:

Power car move cancelled.

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Makes sense since they have a pair down currently

InvHst said:

Realtime Trains - 578M 1321 Doncaster Works Wabtec to Haymarket Depot

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Path in today for next refurb set

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Still not moved. Can’t say I’m terribly surprised.

Now cancelled.

Goldromans said:

Still not moved. Can’t say I’m terribly surprised.

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Set 20 may go north before 19 at this rate. In fact July will be the first month since November there hasn't been a move north. Hopefully come August have least 2 go north.

That would explain the double pair of back to back power cars sat outside Haymarket at the moment then - thanks.

Would anyone happen to know where 026/035 have been today? Last night 026 was facing the Glasgow / West end of the set, today the other way around.

fgwrich said:

That would explain the double pair of back to back power cars sat outside Haymarket at the moment then - thanks.

Would anyone happen to know where 026/035 have been today? Last night 026 was facing the Glasgow / West end of the set, today the other way around.

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From Facebook for yesterday followed by today. By the looks of things the set stabled in Edinburgh overnight and worked empty to Glasgow to form 1A51:

43055 said:

From Facebook for yesterday followed by today. By the looks of things the set stabled in Edinburgh overnight and worked empty to Glasgow to form 1A51:
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Thanks for that, the ECS to Glasgow would explain how it has been turned since last night as it certainly stabled in Edinburgh (I took some pictures of it in Waverley). Thanks!

Have a friend looking to do a return trip from Inverness to Aberdeen and Inverness to Perth..can someone point out which services are most likely to be HSTs please. Thx in advance.

Diagrams are changing tomorrow, so not sure. They are 50/50 I find whether they apply for the right timing load, but in theory show "Diesel + 324 tonnes" on Real Time Trains under the timings section, but not reliable by any means.

RTT will also show the number of coaches during and after the day on which the services run where operated by a 170 or a 158, and I notice today also the LNER Azuma. Looking at a specific service you can also find the unit.
That will give you a feel for what typically happens. But as Jim says diagrams change tomorrow, recent patterns might not be too firm an indication.

Allocations will appear either overnight or in the morning on RealTimeTrains. Bar any on the day swaps, look out for services that don’t have a pictographic diagram nor unit number(S); as they should be HSTs.

Confirmed Monday to Friday diagrams

43012+HA01+43146
1A45 0727 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1B24 1102 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
1A78 1528 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1T44 1840 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A95 2140 Glasgow to Aberdeen

43147+HA02+43149
1A53 0840 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1T22 1247 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A73 1539 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1B47 1916 Aberdeen to Edinburgh

43021+HA03+43181
1B07 0547 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
1A55 0929 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1B32 1312 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
1A79 1628 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1T48 1945 Aberdeen to Glasgow

43125+HA04+43126
1H05 0703 Glasgow to Inverness
1A50 1102 Inverness to Aberdeen
1H33 1342 Aberdeen to Inverness
1A58 1714 Inverness to Aberdeen

43135+HA05+43136
1T10 0738 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A59 1041 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1T26 1342 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A77 1642 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1B51 2005 Aberdeen to Edinburgh

43176+HA07+43183
1A47 0553 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1T14 0940 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A63 1239 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1T38 1632 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A89 1938 Glasgow to Aberdeen


43132+HA08+43169
1H07 0835 Edinburgh to Inverness
1B31 1249 Inverness to Edinburgh
1H17 1742 Edinburgh to Inverness


43033+HA10+43034
1A41 0530 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1B18 0904 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
1A75 1230 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1B40 1600 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
1A88 1933 Edinburgh to Aberdeen

43015+HA18+43168
1T08 0638 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A57 0941 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1B35 1359 Aberdeen to Edinburgh
1A81 1734 Edinburgh to Aberdeen
1T54 2045 Aberdeen to Glasgow


43028+HA21+43137
1T98 0845 Inverness to Glasgow
1H15 1508 Glasgow to Inverness
1B44 1850 Inverness to Edinburgh

43030+HA22+43140
1A51 0741 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1T18 1046 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A67 1339 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1T40 1740 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A91 2041 Glasgow to Aberdeen

43134+HA23+43032
1A44 0601 Inverness to Aberdeen
1T12 0844 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A61 1138 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1T32 1445 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1A83 1740 Glasgow to Aberdeen
1B42 2107 Aberdeen to Edinburgh

43129+HA25+43145
1H23 0618 Aberdeen to Inverness
1B52 0944 Inverness to Edinburgh
1H13 1333 Edinburgh to Inverness
1T62 1727 Inverness to Glasgow

43026+HA26+43035
1T06 0536 Aberdeen to Glasgow
1H51 1209 Glasgow to Inverness
1B54 1556 Inverness to Edinburgh
1H19 1941 Edinburgh to Inverness

Apart from the 1439 to Inverness from Glasgow via Aberdeen and the 1840 Glasgow to Aberdeen
Every other service is a hst

Inverness to Aberdeen today is only potentially three services that are HSTs:

Just in case anybody is looking out for HA05, it had issues this morning in Aberdeen. 1T10 07:38 Aberdeen to Glasgow was cancelled. 158720 substituting on 1A59 10:41 Glasgow to Aberdeen on its lonesome.

I don't know why I keep returning to this thread, maybe because I first travelled the line to Inverness with my father back in 1958. There have been a lot of changes since. Turning out some old junk during lock down I came across the picture below showing proof that in 1981 cars were still tagged to the rear of normal trains heading south. (I can identifty the Findhorn Viaduct at Tomatin in the second picture so suspect the other is fairly close by.)



One day I hope I can do the Edinburgh, Inverness, Aberdeen, Glasgow circuit exclusively by HST but it seems that can't be guaranteed for a few more months yet. Over 4 years since the project was originally planned.

I'm reminded of just how long because on 14th August 2018 a major motorway viaduct in Genoa collapsed without warning. There were no plans to replace it. Nevertheless a new bridge was planned, the remains of the collapsed structure together with neighbouring sections removed, and the new viaduct completed (during the COVID pandemic) so that within 2 years the link has been restored. I know, demolishing and rebuilding HSTs is different, but that was impressive work. The speed of this project isn't.

Agree with the above. When we are 4 years late and single 158s are still being turned out then you know there is a major issue.

Bring on electrification which can't come soon enough.

Unless my arithmetic is wrong, 14 diagrams are listed above. There can't be more than one at Brodie's in Kilmarnock (one came back yesterday) so what were the other three doing?

InOban said:

Unless my arithmetic is wrong, 14 diagrams are listed above. There can't be more than one at Brodie's in Kilmarnock (one came back yesterday) so what were the other three doing?

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Stopped for exams/faults. 3 units stopped out of 18 isn't unusual.

scotraildriver said:

Stopped for exams/faults. 3 units stopped out of 18 isn't unusual.

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I was going to say, 14 diagrams for 18(?) trains feels like a pretty standard requirement.

Possibly in electric land the unit requirements as a % of the fleet may be more, but you're probably talking 10-15 year old electric units, some of which are peak services only.