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They're likely to have a very disappointing Wednesday evening ...
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Donald Trump and the aftermath of his presidency
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birchesgreen
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They're likely to have a very disappointing Wednesday evening ...
"Any time now Hank... any time... now... any... time... now..."
DynamicSpirit
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They're likely to have a very disappointing Wednesday evening ...
Haha! On that note, it's just occurred to me that it's been quite a long time since we've had any big 'The World is going to end on <insert year>' predictions getting lots of followers. Could it be that we now know what's happened to all the regular doomsayers of 10-20 years ago...
The choice was between the self righteous and the corrupt.
The self righteous won, just.
Personally I think the self righteous are more dangerous than the corrupt because, as C.S.Lewis puts it.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
The presidential war tally of recent presidents supports C.S. Lewis' statement
The self righteous won, just.
Personally I think the self righteous are more dangerous than the corrupt because, as C.S.Lewis puts it.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
The presidential war tally of recent presidents supports C.S. Lewis' statement
Is that all you can hang on to, that he didn't start an overseas war?
Because he very much did start a war during his presidency, a war between his own people.
Just because your preferred form of tyranny didn't win, there is no justification in smearing all administrations as tyrannies
nlogax
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Oh good grief. No.
Explain 'self righteous' in this context. Where on earth did you pull that belief from?
GatwickDepress
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What a complete load of bovine droppings.
The issue was already there, big time, otherwise someone like him would never gave got the tens of millions of votes needed to elect him in the first place.
And unless the Democrats actually embrace that problem (which crudely is that intelligent liberal types have pocketed the economic growth since the 80s and tens of millions of "blue collar" people have seen their conditions stagnate or deteriorate since the 80s) then something far nastier than Trump will be coming down the tracks in a few years.
birchesgreen
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Trump didn't start any new wars but he certainly didn't stop the ordering of plenty of warheads onto foreheads.
Wilts Wanderer
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You do realise that is literally the capitalist American Dream don’t you? Some people have the skills and intelligence to set up businesses and industries, taking the financial risk but gaining the lions share of the profits from success. Whether they’re liberal or not is irrelevant - although I’d hazard a guess that those of a liberal (some would say socialist) mindset are more likely to support policies that share wealth with their employees than a traditional right wing thinker.
One of the great con jobs of US society is that the super-rich, conservative, economically active Right have successfully convinced the ‘blue collar workers’ at the bottom that the party on the Left who supports tax & spend, social welfare etc - things that will GREATLY BENEFIT THEM - is the party responsible for denying them those things in the first place. Which is really why we got Trump, not because of any pseudo-liberal conspiracy to take away personal freedoms. Whether you buy into the lie or not I guess depends whether you’re willing to drink the cool-aid or not.
nlogax
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Just been pointed out by Chuck Schumer that as of this afternoon there are more troops guarding downtown D.C. than there are in the entirety of Afghanistan.
You could argue 'great, good to have so few troops on foreign shores', but Trump effectively has invoked a war within his own borders which is going to take years to heal from. The result over the next few years is going to be incredibly nasty.
You could argue 'great, good to have so few troops on foreign shores', but Trump effectively has invoked a war within his own borders which is going to take years to heal from. The result over the next few years is going to be incredibly nasty.
Huh and here I thought the likes of the Koch brothers were Republican supporters. Who knew?
They contribute to the Republican party, but their support is for nobody but themselves.
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Wilts Wanderer
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I think you’ll find that’s true about most business-people who support any political party whatsoever.
He probably came closest to starting a nuclear war with North Korea than at any time in the whole of history.
Then, as you say, he's been trying to kick start a civil war to keep himself on the throne.
Not really sure how anyone can see either of those as a success.
Don't forget trying to start a shooting war with Iran.
Bantamzen
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Marine 1 on the White House lawn as I type!
nlogax
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He's departed the WH. Hope he didn't let the door hit him in the arse on the way out.
DynamicSpirit
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Yay! The Big Baby has gone! At last we can have a grown-up leading the free World again!
Obviously I'm glad to see him gone but I still kinda wish he had tried to linger. The thought of the Secret Service dragging him out for trespassing was so comforting
DarloRich
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bye bye Donny,Donny bye bye
I quite agree. With a war on foreign soil, it is almost certain that the man (or woman) in the same uniform as you is on the same side as you. The way Trump has managed to divide America there must be some doubt that when the militant MAGA crew next come out on the streets and seek to disrupt democratic government that everyone in law enforcement will wholeheartedly oppose them in the same way that the police and national guard did when ex-POTUS decided he wanted a photo op outside a church.