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WCML Disruption in Scotland (02/02/2021)
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LNW-GW Joint
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From RTT, I notice that the up/down Highland sleepers both stopped at Lockerbie at around 0250 this morning "for staffing reasons".
This was presumably for crew exchange. Is this now a regular thing?
Both trains reached their destinations early.
This was presumably for crew exchange. Is this now a regular thing?
Both trains reached their destinations early.
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Been going on since the start of the first lockdown AFAIK. Surely this is a better method of working than lodging in hotels and being away from home for 2 days?
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I have, for nearly 40y, been astonished about the lack of any bidirectional facility on the WCML.
In particular it seems very common for down direction freight trains to fail on Beattock bank and if it were only provided there it would be a big help.
Regarding SIMBIDS I lived in view of the GW main line at Bathampton Junction during the time SIMBIDS was installed there. My recollection was that it allowed 80mph running in the "wrong" direction.
Are you offering to pay for it?
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I suspect it would long since have paid for itself in reduced disruption.Are you offering to pay for it?
irish_rail
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70mph in the wrong direction on that bit, and 85mph between Didcot and Thingley.....
LNW-GW Joint
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There is (full?) bi-directional signalling on most of the Trent Valley section (Rugby-Armitage), and between Sandbach and Cheadle Hulme.
No doubt it'll be on the enhancement list when the PSBs north of Crewe are replaced sometime this decade, maybe with ETCS.
When this section was electrified I suspect BR did not have any money spare at all, and HM Treasury is not in the habit of spending money on a 'just in case' basis. The only alternative would have been to borrow the money to pay for it, and BR was under pressure to reduce the public sector debt. Not to mention that the justification is effectively 'we expect this to go wrong often enough it will save us potential lost revenue', which is not an easy thing to sell to people giving you money.
A very short-term planned variation (as opposed to a new schedule) - VVR is to VAR as VST is to STP.
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Learn something new every day, Thanks
theironroad
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I noticed that last night, never seen it, usually VSTP and not sure. Variable? Very Variable? Maybe someone knows.
Edit: lol, I start typing and someone comes up with the answer.
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Still in the loop at Lockerbie as of 1306 this afternoon when I stopped there
theironroad
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Twitter suggests that it's being moved tonight.
Think they have a limited time zone from about 2330 to 0400 ish so not to block the line for other traffic.
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If it was in the same clockface schedule then others would have to be held at Barrhead for the same reason.
Another path in for tonight at the same times as last nights:
Realtime Trains - 5S19 2330 Lockerbie to Carstairs
Realtime Trains - 5S19 2330 Lockerbie to Carstairs
bengley
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Cor, an hour to get up beattock. That's slow!
Thought this section was re-controlled to Cowlairs recently? Presumably without changing the actual signalling on the ground.
Crossovers and not a ideal way to run the service, any delay and you risk being very late, the northbound guard is already on a shift in excess of 11.5 hour shift.
Elecman
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Same Avanti driver rostered again tonight
David Goddard
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Now on the move. Had to wait for late running 1S06 to pass Lockerbie then set off about 5-6 mins later
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Currently running 63 late
gimmea50anyday
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Looks like it has been signalled through beattock loop and is approaching the ascent of the bank. However the postal 1S55 is rapidly catching up to it. 1S55 Currently held at the crossovers at wamphrey
Speculation:- wonder if it’s being held on the mainline while the postal and the freight behind will then be called forward and pass it through the down passenger loop. Suppose being on a skate they may well avoid diverging routes as much as possible
1S55 and 4S47 on the move towards beattock. Demic currently held at 721 signal on mainline alongside the loop.
Sleeper 1S25 is at Lockerbie.
Speculation:- wonder if it’s being held on the mainline while the postal and the freight behind will then be called forward and pass it through the down passenger loop. Suppose being on a skate they may well avoid diverging routes as much as possible
1S55 and 4S47 on the move towards beattock. Demic currently held at 721 signal on mainline alongside the loop.
Sleeper 1S25 is at Lockerbie.
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gimmea50anyday
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Message on genius suggests 5S19 had a brake fault shortly after departing Lockerbie. Explains why the trains were held back at the crossover then
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1S55 took ten minutes to get through the loop at Beattock (signals 731 to 723) and passed the summit about 98 late, having been right time up to Lockerbie. The stops at Lockerbie and Wamphray were probably to keep it at a controlled signal. 4S47 following 1S55 and the Down sleeper waiting at Lockerbie for the Up one (1M16). 1S25 left Lockerbie 03.24.
EDIT: 5S19 left Beattock at 03.42, straight behind 1S25.
EDIT: 5S19 passed the protecting signal at Beattock Summit (625) at 04.34 and used the through line. Two freights behind, with a third in Lockerbie loop.
EDIT: 5S19 left Beattock at 03.42, straight behind 1S25.
EDIT: 5S19 passed the protecting signal at Beattock Summit (625) at 04.34 and used the through line. Two freights behind, with a third in Lockerbie loop.
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bengley
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390138 will carry on to Abington tonight and then wait until a suitable time this evening to carry on
In the good old days you could knock out a demic vehicle and it would stay in a siding for weeks. So the question is how easy is it to split a 390? Could they have split it at Lockerbie and moved it by road from there, or is 3 nights to get back to a depot the better option.
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