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What would you like to see announced in this year’s March budget?

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No surprises here and why once withdrawn this time restrictions can not return.

The difficult path he has to tread is trying to recoup all the extra spending without pushing businesses over the cliff edge, unemployment even further up and voters to Labour at the next election.
One thing I'm confident of is this will be the most significant budget for at least a generation (and/or the one in the Autumn), and will potentially be the most divisive in a long time, particularly going by rumblings in the wider Tory party.
 
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How about a 1p increase in income tax for those who have shouted the loudest for lockdowns i.e. those work from homers in secure jobs. ;)
I work from home but have not shouted at all for lockdowns.

The work from homes could bear elements of this from the savings being made from not travelling daily to the office - potentially a few grand on a season ticket for a start, and not buying lunch every day in Pret or Costa!
I have worked from home since September 2019 and will continue to do so for the foreseeable as my employer no longer has an office anywhere near my home. I am not making any extra savings from being made to work at home during the pandemic as I would be working from home regardless. When I did go to the office my season ticket cost between £1,300 & £1,400 and I rarely went out for lunch as I brought lunch with me to the office almost every day. So my travel costs were not as high as you were expecting and I am not making savings on lunch. My electricity bill has also gone up as I am at home all day!
 

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I work from home but have not shouted at all for lockdowns.


I have worked from home since September 2019 and will continue to do so for the foreseeable as my employer no longer has an office anywhere near my home. I am not making any extra savings from being made to work at home during the pandemic as I would be working from home regardless. When I did go to the office my season ticket cost between £1,300 & £1,400 and I rarely went out for lunch as I brought lunch with me to the office almost every day. So my travel costs were not as high as you were expecting and I am not making savings on lunch. My electricity bill has also gone up as I am at home all day!

I was going to say something similar. I have to work from home and my job is secure but I am not calling for a longer lockdown.

I am not saving that much really - what I save in petrol is used paying for electricity, heating etc.

The money saved is from not being able to go to the pub or for days out. Work wise I think it's pretty cost neutral.
 

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I was going to say something similar. I have to work from home and my job is secure but I am not calling for a longer lockdown.

I am not saving that much really - what I save in petrol is used paying for electricity, heating etc.

The money saved is from not being able to go to the pub or for days out. Work wise I think it's pretty cost neutral.
That's pretty much my situation. Cost neutral in terms of saving from WFH and savings coming from everything being closed or banned under lockdown.
 

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How about a 1p increase in income tax for those who have shouted the loudest for lockdowns i.e. those work from homers in secure jobs. ;)

Whilst I agree in taxing those who have shouted for lockdowns the loudest (completely unrealistic, but it is cathartic to imagine someone from the treasury trawling through social media and amending tax letters as they do it :D), I am actually a work from homer in a secure job but have been vehemently against it since last spring.

I am resigned that my taxes will go up; obviously I have saved a lot of money from not doing all my usual commuting, events and travels in the past year, so financially I will be OK with that (and I know this is a very fortunate position) but I will never get that time back. That is far more important to me than money. I work to live life to do things and experience the world, not to sit at home counting banknotes in front if Netflix. We are going to have to think about starting a family next year, so I've lost a year of being able to do lots of the things I wanted to do before then, and it really grates with me. I know that sounds selfish, but only as selfish as those who have been overtly happy for people to have been robbed of their usual lives and freedoms for a year.

Some extra bank holidays would be nice, to be honest, which would do wonders for the travel and hospitality industries if they are timed for when all restrictions are gone in the summer. However, the fact that they affect the business and finance side of the economy means it won't happen.
 
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He will be in big trouble if he hits self employed and freelancers etc with tax rises. 3 million have been excluded from the support schemes. Hitting them with more taxes to repay the support they didn't get is unacceptable and will do untold damage to the small business economy and future tax revenues.
 

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He will be in big trouble if he hits self employed and freelancers etc with tax rises. 3 million have been excluded from the support schemes. Hitting them with more taxes to repay the support they didn't get is unacceptable and will do untold damage to the small business economy and future tax revenues.

Yes, this is a very good point, and typically self employed would be part of the Conservatives' core vote. It will be interesting to see how he negotiates this.
 

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I'll get my pension annual statements in the next couple of months. If after deducting contributions I will be pleasantly surprised if taken over two years the funds have not directly devalued. A gain from last year would at best be cancelling out drop compared to two years ago. As to a real gain about the same probability as a big premium bond win.

The only investments with no real loss are the index-linked National Savings Certificates.
Not in my personal experience.
 

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Let's quadruple Excise Duty on cigarettes, to support the NHS!!

Take it you are not a smoker and have little conception of the current rate of Duty on Cigarettes, or the impact quadrupling it would have on the yield and ultimately revenue available to contribute towards the NHS ?
 

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Corporation tax is going up to 25% from 2023, although small businesses will keep the 19% rate, but no change for two years by the looks of things. The income tax threshold rises to £12,570 but then freezes until 2026, plus all the standard extensions to support speculated:


Chancellor Rishi Sunak is unveiling the contents of his Budget in the House of Commons.
He is announcing the government's tax and spending plans for the year ahead, expected to focus on helping business and jobs through the pandemic and supporting the UK's long-term economic recovery.
Here is a summary of the main points, which are being updated as he speaks.
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Coronavirus support​

A number of spending commitments have already been announced. They include:
  • Furlough to be extended until the end of September
  • Government to continue paying 80% of employees' wages for hours they cannot work
  • Employers to be asked to contribute 10% in July and 20% in August and September
  • 600,000 more self-employed people will be eligible for help as access to grants is widened
  • £20 uplift in Universal Credit to be extended for another six months
  • Minimum wage to increase to £8.91 an hour from April.
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State of the economy and public finances​

  • UK economy forecast to return to pre-Covid levels by middle of 2022
  • Annual growth set to rebound by 4% this year, followed by 7.3% growth in 2022
  • Unemployment expected to peak at 6.5% next year, lower than 11.9% previously predicted
  • UK to borrow a peacetime record of £355bn this year.
  • Borrowing to total £234bn in 2021-22
  • Debt as a share of GDP to fall from 4.5% next year to 3.5% in 2022-23
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Taxation​

  • No changes to rates of income tax, national insurance or VAT
  • Personal income tax allowance to be frozen at £12,570 from 2022 to 2026
  • Higher rate income tax threshold to be frozen at £50,270 from 2022 to 2026
  • Corporation tax on company profits to rise from 19% to 25% in April 2023
  • Rate to be kept at 19% for about 1.5 million smaller companies
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Health and education​

  • £19m for domestic violence programmes, funding network of respite rooms
  • £40m of funding for Thalidomide victims and lifetime support guarantee
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The arts and sport​

  • £400m to help arts venues in England, including museums and galleries, re-open
  • £300m recovery package for professional sport and £25m for grassroots football
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Business, digital and science​

  • Incentive grants for apprenticeships to rise to £3,000 and £126 for traineeships
  • VAT cut for hospitality firms to be maintained at 5% until September
  • Interim 12.5% rate to apply for the following six months
  • Business rates holiday for firms in England will continue from April until June
  • £5bn in re-opening grants for non-essential businesses of up to £6,000 per premises.
 

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Fuel duty frozen again...

Corporation tax is going up to 25% from 2023, although small businesses will keep the 19% rate, but no change for two years by the looks of things. The income tax threshold rises to £12,570 but then freezes until 2026, plus all the standard extensions to support speculated:


Obviously that's an immediate relief but longer term a tax rise for the lowest paid by default as inflation kicks in. Saying that, there's no gurantee this government / chancellor will even be in power until 2026!
 

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Fuel duty frozen again...



Obviously that's an immediate relief but longer term a tax rise for the lowest paid by default as inflation kicks in. Saying that, there's no gurantee this government / chancellor will even be in power until 2026!

And I wouldn't mind betting that the tax allowances are raised again from the 2024/2025 fiscal year.....which just happens to be before the next general election.
 

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Fuel duty frozen again...
Absolutely ludicrous.

If I created a thread for "should there be a rail fares freeze" I'm sure people would think I was joking... excellent example of the archaic "motorists are inherently superior" philosophy that this country really needs to rid itself of.
 

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Corporation tax is going up to 25% from 2023, although small businesses will keep the 19% rate, but no change for two years by the looks of things. The income tax threshold rises to £12,570 but then freezes until 2026, plus all the standard extensions to support speculated:

Not too big a problem if inflation stays very low but if not a dent to the low paid unless somehow balanced by other measures.

Going back again to returns on investements I hope inflation does stay low to minimise the real devaluation.
 

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The income tax threshold rises to £12,570 but then freezes until 2026
I have to say that freezing at £12,500 and £50,000 would have been neater than £12,570 and £50,270.

Indeed, I think a feasible step would have been to freeze the personal allowance at £12,500 and higher rate threshold at £50,000 for higher rate taxpayers indefinitely with the further thresholds at £100,000, £125,000 and £150,000 also fixed and for the increase in personal allowance to have only kicked in for basic rate taxpayers. (I appreciate that some tapering would have been needed around £50,000 for a smooth transition.)

Over time, it would be good to see the personal allowance start to be reduced for higher rate taxpayers, perhaps tapering away between £50,000 and £100,000 and a 'negative' personal allowance of £12,500 tapering in between £100,000 and £125,000 to maintain the existing arrangement.
 

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So, 'new' HMRC 'branch' in Leeds; other govt dept branches in Darlington (just to the north of the Chancellor's constituency- Richmond (Yorks)); and a Tees-side freeport ... did I hear him say Leeds- Darlington only an hour and a quarter? I guess that's by road (AA routeplanner confirms that!)- so easy on the unchanged fuel duty and expenses; 52 mins by train!!

I think that says most everything?

Edit- could just do with a pre-Beeching reopening from Northallerton ECML (centre of 'Richmondshire'; and Chancellor's constituency office) via Ripon and Harrogate to Leeds?
 

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Not too big a problem if inflation stays very low but if not a dent to the low paid unless somehow balanced by other measures.

Going back again to returns on investements I hope inflation does stay low to minimise the real devaluation.
Unfortunately there isn't much optimism/belief inflation will stay low, with markets and bond yields behaving recently in the belief inflation will pickup soon. How long a rise might last for though is unknown, but if it does go up the money printing certainly won't have helped.
 

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Whilst I agree in taxing those who have shouted for lockdowns the loudest (completely unrealistic, but it is cathartic to imagine someone from the treasury trawling through social media and amending tax letters as they do it :D), I am actually a work from homer in a secure job but have been vehemently against it since last spring.

I am resigned that my taxes will go up; obviously I have saved a lot of money from not doing all my usual commuting, events and travels in the past year, so financially I will be OK with that (and I know this is a very fortunate position) but I will never get that time back. That is far more important to me than money. I work to live life to do things and experience the world, not to sit at home counting banknotes in front if Netflix. We are going to have to think about starting a family next year, so I've lost a year of being able to do lots of the things I wanted to do before then, and it really grates with me. I know that sounds selfish, but only as selfish as those who have been overtly happy for people to have been robbed of their usual lives and freedoms for a year.

Some extra bank holidays would be nice, to be honest, which would do wonders for the travel and hospitality industries if they are timed for when all restrictions are gone in the summer. However, the fact that they affect the business and finance side of the economy means it won't happen.
Add me to the list of WFH'ers who has been shouting against lockdowns.

It seems quite a few on the list on here so maybe the statement isn't as water tight as it is being made out to be?

Although we do seem to be a somewhat different bunch :)
 

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Over time, it would be good to see the personal allowance start to be reduced for higher rate taxpayers, perhaps tapering away between £50,000 and £100,000 and a 'negative' personal allowance of £12,500 tapering in between £100,000 and £125,000 to maintain the existing arrangement.

I don't agree - this sort of 'tinkering' is what gives us the currently bizarre 62% 'band' between two bands of 42%. With this suggestion income between 50k and 125k would be subject to a higher tax rate than income over 125k - not a very progressive system...

If you want to do that, the politicians should just raise the marginal rate itself and be honest with people, rather than trying to disguise it.
 

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Some funding - £30 million for the Rail Excellence Test track at Onllwyn (though he pronounced it was in "Neath Port Talbot" - which , if it happens - safeguards the line from Neath Riverside and saves sending test trains to WIldenrath or Velim. About a 120 job there.
 

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I have to say that freezing at £12,500 and £50,000 would have been neater than £12,570 and £50,270.

Indeed, I think a feasible step would have been to freeze the personal allowance at £12,500 and higher rate threshold at £50,000 for higher rate taxpayers indefinitely with the further thresholds at £100,000, £125,000 and £150,000 also fixed and for the increase in personal allowance to have only kicked in for basic rate taxpayers. (I appreciate that some tapering would have been needed around £50,000 for a smooth transition.)

Over time, it would be good to see the personal allowance start to be reduced for higher rate taxpayers, perhaps tapering away between £50,000 and £100,000 and a 'negative' personal allowance of £12,500 tapering in between £100,000 and £125,000 to maintain the existing arrangement.
The current massive bulge between 100k and 120k is just bizarre. There's no such thing as a "negative personal allowance", you'd just be nakedly making the tax above 100k regressive without even the current paper-thin justification. If it's desirable to raise higher rate tax to 50% then raise it to 50% and run that all the way through, but don't raise it 50%, pretend you didn't, and then give people a nifty little tax break over £150k
 

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The current massive bulge between 100k and 120k is just bizarre. There's no such thing as a "negative personal allowance", you'd just be nakedly making the tax above 100k regressive without even the current paper-thin justification. If it's desirable to raise higher rate tax to 50% then raise it to 50% and run that all the way through, but don't raise it 50%, pretend you didn't, and then give people a nifty little tax break over £150k
Maybe, but given that the £100k-£125k bulge is there and people affected can't really do much about it, for fear of being termed greedy, I don't think it is going to change ever. Let's remember that only something like 10% of the population are higher rate taxpayers, let alone affected by the £100k-£125k bulge.
 

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Maybe, but given that the £100k-£125k bulge is there and people affected can't really do much about it, for fear of being termed greedy, I don't think it is going to change ever. Let's remember that only something like 10% of the population are higher rate taxpayers, let alone affected by the £100k-£125k bulge.
What I just proposed would result in people between 100k and 120k paying a lot more tax overall, as I think they should. What really makes no sense is taxing marginal income for those people at a rather brutal 60%, and then only charging people earning 300k 45% on most of their income. I don't want lower taxes, I want higher but sensible progressive taxes. This messing around with allowances doesn't achieve any of that
 

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What I just proposed would result in people between 100k and 120k paying a lot more tax overall, as I think they should. What really makes no sense is taxing marginal income for those people at a rather brutal 60%, and then only charging people earning 300k 45% on most of their income. I don't want lower taxes, I want higher but sensible progressive taxes. This messing around with allowances doesn't achieve any of that
Yes, part of the 'honesty' about tax that is needed is that the higher rate tax probably should be 50p in the £1 throughout but it has become politically impossible to actually implement that and changes can only be made by tinkering with allowances.
 

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Not too big a problem if inflation stays very low but if not a dent to the low paid unless somehow balanced by other measures.

Going back again to returns on investements I hope inflation does stay low to minimise the real devaluation.

I simply cannot see inflation staying low. I seem to be getting emails almost daily about prices and tariffs for stuff going up. The only way to get out of this mess seems to be inflation.
 

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I simply cannot see inflation staying low. I seem to be getting emails almost daily about prices and tariffs for stuff going up. The only way to get out of this mess seems to be inflation.
Funnily enough I was thinking the same. In the last couple of months pretty much every digital service I subscribe to have gone up. At the same time there does seem to be some price creep going on in the supermarkets, rail fares will be going up again, as I suspect will other public transport services. Even the local taxi firms have been nudging prices up. So expecting inflation to stay low is optimistic to say the least.
 

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I have to say that freezing at £12,500 and £50,000 would have been neater than £12,570 and £50,270.

Indeed, I think a feasible step would have been to freeze the personal allowance at £12,500 and higher rate threshold at £50,000 for higher rate taxpayers indefinitely with the further thresholds at £100,000, £125,000 and £150,000 also fixed and for the increase in personal allowance to have only kicked in for basic rate taxpayers. (I appreciate that some tapering would have been needed around £50,000 for a smooth transition.)

Over time, it would be good to see the personal allowance start to be reduced for higher rate taxpayers, perhaps tapering away between £50,000 and £100,000 and a 'negative' personal allowance of £12,500 tapering in between £100,000 and £125,000 to maintain the existing arrangement.

I agree. I'm an accountant and love it when the thresholds etc are "round numbers". Every decade or so, we get a Chancellor who changes it to round numbers, and then they usually move on and the next just undoes the good work and we end up with odd numbers again.

I thing it's the media who make a big song and dance when thresholds don't change with inflation and causes "fiscal drag" - in the real world, the effect to most people is trivial and irrelevant, yet costs billions in lost tax revenue. Just that the media reporters always pick on it and can copy & paste previous reports about fiscal drag. That's easier for the media than them having to research and write about "new" topics.

These days, Budgets are all about media reporting than what is actually sensible or good for the country.

Yes, part of the 'honesty' about tax that is needed is that the higher rate tax probably should be 50p in the £1 throughout but it has become politically impossible to actually implement that and changes can only be made by tinkering with allowances.

We also need a steady graph of taxes at different income levels. At the moment the marginal "tax" graph looks like a mountain range. 62% marginal rate between £100-£125k, but 42% between £50-£100k and 47% over £150k. Even worse when you factor in withdrawal of TC/UC and lower levels, withdrawal of CB at £50-£60k, etc. Then we have new "taxes" such as workplace pensions, student loan deductions, etc. In a decade when we've had the Office of Tax Simplification, the tax system has become more complicated and anomalous - but at least they did a good job in getting rid of those really complicated luncheon vouchers! (ironic smile) Not really sure what else they've done.
 
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I simply cannot see inflation staying low. I seem to be getting emails almost daily about prices and tariffs for stuff going up. The only way to get out of this mess seems to be inflation.
I was listening to a discussion about inflation on the radio a few days ago during which someone was suggesting inflation, as a lasting consequence of the current situation, could be up in double figures in another 10- 15 years time. He wasn’t expecting any immediate sudden rise, but did think that by the end of the decade inflation rates and interest rates could begin to rocket up as they did during the 1970’s.

He was pointing out that we haven’t really had any significant inflation in this country now for nearly 40 years and so only people over the age of 60 can really remember it. These days, especially after the last few years of exceptionally low interest rates, people just do not have an experience of high interest rates. I can’t really remember it very well but I can remember when I first started working and I had a standard building society savings account which was paying an interest rate of around 15%. In this area the high streets were full of building societies who were all competing for the money from miners accepting redundancy payments. They did very well during the first few years whilst the interest rates were so high.
 
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