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I apologise for my error, I had just been under the impression that it had crossed on the flat as there is no evidence of any embankments in that area
I have stood on the embankment to the north of the present day Hull-Selby line, so the evidence is pretty good. I think you may be right that the embankments south of ther present day Hull-Selby line have been removed, though.
 
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I apologise for my error, I had just been under the impression that it had crossed on the flat as there is no evidence of any embankments in that area
They was removed in parts when the M62 motorway was constructed as the motorway is on top or very close to the railway line location. I remember the H & B over bridge over the Hull to Selby line as you could then judge where you was and where the next station would be.
 

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They was removed in parts when the M62 motorway was constructed as the motorway is on top or very close to the railway line location. I remember the H & B over bridge over the Hull to Selby line as you could then judge where you was and where the next station would be.
I knew part of the M62 was built on the old trackbed.
 

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IIRC the West London Line originally crossed the Great Western on the level ( near Old Oak where the bridge is now ).
 

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At some point in the past I think what is now the Hammersmith & City line crossed the GWR on the level just east of Royal Oak station. There is now a tunnel there I think.
 
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The Luas in Dublin on O'Connell Street/Abbey Street cross in a similar way to Newark.
Yes - it's also found on various French and other new-build light rail systems, though not anywhere I know of on light rail/tram in the UK.

The famous example (heavy rail) in Ireland is, of course, Limerick Junction. Dundalk Square Crossing (line from Barrack Street towards Enniskillen crossing the Dublin-Belfast line) was also a fairly well-known one, and there were a few others involving industrial lines (e.g. Bord na Móna crossing the CIÉ Banagher branch near Ferbane).
 

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The Luas in Dublin on O'Connell Street/Abbey Street cross in a similar way to Newark.
Actually two separate crossings, because the Green Line runs north on O'Connell and south on Marlborough Street. There are two single track connecting curves, which are unsignalled as far as I can tell from Streetview.

Many historic UK tramways would have had near-perpendicular crossings, but most often with at least one connecting curve. Occasionally you'd find the full "Grand Union" with all four double track connecting curves.
 

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Nottingham Tramway has tracks crossing the tracks headed in the opposite direction without a junction at Wilkinson Street and The Forest, as the Hyson Green area has northbound trams on the east side of the area, and southbound on the west side. It could be counted as a flat rail crossing.
 

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Bury , Lancs. The BR line from Heywood to Rawtenstall crossed the new (also BR) line into Bury Interchange on the level for a few years. Since replaced by a bridge with steep grades either side for the East Lancashire Railway
 

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Behind Newton on Ayr station there was an almost 90deg flat crossing.
The old track bed is still visible with a road bridge next to the harbour lines.
 

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There used to be one at Earlestown station. The Liverpool to Manchester line was crossed by a line from the south corner of the triangle to the Haydock Collieries (later NCB) railway system. At one time, I think that the colliery railway had running powers at least to Warrington.
 

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In the very early days of the Midland Counties Railway, the Derby - Nottm line crossed the line up the Erewash Valley on the flat at Platt's Crossing, just north of where Trent station would be later sited.
 

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Thanks for that, makes you wonder why they couldn't do the same at Newark.
West of the crossing the River Trent prevents lowering the Lincoln - Newark lines. The only practical solution is to elevate that line over the ECML.
 
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Not quite in the spirit of the original question perhaps but back in the day true nonetheless:

Liverpool Street, underneath the Great Eastern Hotel.
 

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Went through Newark on the A46 recently and was amazed to see this crossing on a major rail line - I wondered whether it was unique like the Carnforth coaling stage! Now I know.
 

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A narrow gauge line used to cross the Somerset & Dorset on the level near Ashcott , a driver stalled his peat train while crossing the S&D and was hit by a S&D train, the locomotive ending up in the canal.

Newcastle before rationalisation. Image from wickipedia

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Thanks for that, makes you wonder why they couldn't do the same at Newark.

They couldn't do a Retford-style dive-under at Newark because the river (or the Trent Navigation, I think to be precise) passes under both lines too close to the crossing.

This 1900 map from the book 'The Railways of Newark-on-Trent' (Oakwood Press, 1999) shows the situation - and also the angle of the crossing.

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But you can switch between the routes at Newark, so do we have to discount it on that score too? Just wondering...

I'd be interested to see a train switch routes on the flat crossing!!

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(Image shows detail view of Newark Flat Crossing where it can be clearly seen that there is no facility for trains to change between the tracks)

Via tweet from Gareth Dennis
 

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In the USA at Rochelle, Illinois, there is a spectacular flat crossing of two transcontinental double-track lines, BNSF and Union Pacific, which has fairly constant traffic on one or the other. Many other flat crossings in the USA, but none with the traffic intensity of this one. Youtube video :

⁴ᴷ UP & BNSF Action At Rochelle Illinois - YouTube
Look up Fostoria in Ohio, you have what's called the Iron Triangle with 3 mainlines crossing each other with 3 flat crossings.
 

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They couldn't do a Retford-style dive-under at Newark because the river (or the Trent Navigation, I think to be precise) passes under both lines too close to the crossing.

This 1900 map from the book 'The Railways of Newark-on-Trent' (Oakwood Press, 1999) shows the situation - and also the angle of the crossing.

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The river can always be diverted using a new course so that isn't as much a issue as it could be.
 

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I'd be interested to see a train switch routes on the flat crossing!!

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(Image shows detail view of Newark Flat Crossing where it can be clearly seen that there is no facility for trains to change between the tracks)

Via tweet from Gareth Dennis
I think the person to whom you replied meant that on the east side there is a curve allowing Lincoln <-> Newark Northgate movements.
 

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A little off topic but THANK YOU for introducing me to that site. I've spent the last hour fiddling with map overlays not just of Newcastle but all over. Super stuff.
See you in a few weeks I guess. I think that's roughly how long I've lost to it once I found it :lol:
 

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The river can always be diverted using a new course so that isn't as much a issue as it could be.

Although I'm not an engineer myself that sounds easier said than done!

Proposals for the Newark-Lincoln line to be put on a flyover seem to crop up every now and then but never seem to get any further.
 
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