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Bungle

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Got the impression it’s rather underpowered.
Unlikely; it has to meet the same requirements and regulations for climb gradients as other twins, and it's unlikely it would be THE main type operating out of London City if it was underpowered!

It may be that the times you've flown in it, the crew were performing a reduced thrust takeoff to the maximum possible reduction, which is why it may have felt slightly "leisurely" compared to some. It's something common to all modern airliners - the performance calculations are done for every departure, using quite sophisticated software, and we'll tend to use the minimum thrust possible while still meeting performance requirements, the goal being to prolong engine life and overhaul times. It's pretty complex to get into here, but if you search the net for terms such as "derated take-off" and "assumed temperature", you'll find out more. Obviously, if you're in a small twin like the E190, you might well need full thrust on a short runway like LCY taking off towards the city, but if you're departing from a nearly 4km runway in Amsterdam towards nothing but fields and sea, you probably don't!

I'm not sure what they do on the E190; the A320 only uses the assumed temperature method ("flex" as Airbus calls it), where as on the 737 we combine de-rate and assumed temperature. I think the Airbus widebodies use both, but I'd have to ask a mate that flies them.
 
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@Bungle I suspect this would have been “Reduced thrust takeoff” on the basis of your helpful description. It was a lightly loaded flight out of Cardiff, possibly towards the West. I did think the engines look quite small compared to other twin jets, I understand they since launched a newer model designed for bigger diameter P&W geared fans.
 

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Flew on a Q400 from YYC to YYJ two years ago, - great views, over the Rockies at 24,000 ft.

Not nearly as good as a Twin Otter from GLA to BRR cruising at 10,000 feet or lower and landing on the Beach
:E

I've flown on the Embraer E190s on London City to Dublin, Dublin to London City, Edinburgh to Amsterdam and Amsterdam to Vienna by far the most comfortable aircraft on regional flights which covers the majority of Europe and I've flown on the Airbus and Boeing rival models.

The legroom is usually about 81cm compared to 74cm on the aircraft operated by their rivals or indeed the same parent company yes I'm referring to BA plus the 2+2 seating makes for a more relaxed atmosphere.

Indeed for me I like the comfort that the type delivers and for those who think they are under powered haven't been on one departing from
London City as they don't struggle with that takeoff at all.

An Embraer is a "Train Slayer" without even trying.

If you took off from Inverness bound for Southampton and they really opened up the "after burners" the time comparison with a Train would be embarrassing for the latter on an even greater level than it is normally. Way to go for long distance UK Domestic journeys.
 
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Not nearly as good as a Twin Otter from GLA to BRR cruising at 10,000 feet or lower and landing on the Beach
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Bit difficult as some of the peaks on our flight path are over 10,000 feet high!
 
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@Bungle …..It was a lightly loaded flight out of Cardiff, possibly towards the West. I did think the engines look quite small compared to other twin jets, I understand they since launched a newer model designed for bigger diameter P&W geared fans.

If that was with KLM, then they fly both the 175 and 190.
Flybe operated the 175 and 195.
The smaller 175 ( and even shorter 170) has a smaller, lower powered engine, than the 190 and 195.

The “newer model” is the E2 series. Much updated and improved, with those larger, more fuel efficient and quieter engines.
For those using FR24, they show as code E290 etc.




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If that was with KLM, then they fly both the 175 and 190.
Flybe operated the 175 and 195.
The smaller 175 ( and even shorter 170) has a smaller, lower powered engine, than the 190 and 195.



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I do miss Flybe, they used to offer an excellent Cardiff to Glasgow/Edinburgh service on 175 Train Slayers for reasonable prices.
 

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I think you have to compare like with like, ie: the E190/195 vs E170/175, CRJ series, A220 etc, rather than the bigger 737/A320 category.

Well I flew down to London City on an Embraer from Edinburgh on Tuesday and back from Heathrow on an A219 on Wednesday Night.

Sat in Seat 3A on both Flights and no prizes for guessing which is the better - the former wins hands down with more leg room and comfort.

On the Embraer if you can get seats 2C or 2D they have acres of space in front of them - there's a whole row missing (No Row1) and it's a bulkhead as well.

It's got to have about the most space in front I have seen on any short haul service.
 

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Well I flew down to London City on an Embraer from Edinburgh on Tuesday and back from Heathrow on an A219 on Wednesday Night.

Sat in Seat 3A on both Flights and no prizes for guessing which is the better - the former wins hands down with more leg room and comfort.

On the Embraer if you can get seats 2C or 2D they have acres of space in front of them - there's a whole row missing (No Row1) and it's a bulkhead as well.

It's got to have about the most space in front I have seen on any short haul service.
Remembering this post when flying from City last week, I deliberately flew out in 2D (front-most right) and back in 1A (front-most left).

My opinion: 1A is far preferable since (1) the pocket for your iPad etc is far too far away in row 2, and (2) Id forgotten the huge gap in front of me always makes me think it’s quite poor design.

So, my conclusion is that if the BA Embraers are indeed some sort of pinnacle of short haul flying, then 1A is the pinnacle within that! :)

First world problems, eh?!
 

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Remembering this post when flying from City last week, I deliberately flew out in 2D (front-most right) and back in 1A (front-most left).

My opinion: 1A is far preferable since (1) the pocket for your iPad etc is far too far away in row 2, and (2) Id forgotten the huge gap in front of me always makes me think it’s quite poor design.

So, my conclusion is that if the BA Embraers are indeed some sort of pinnacle of short haul flying, then 1A is the pinnacle within that! :)

First world problems, eh?!

A lot of people would kill for that much space in an Aircraft :E
 
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