LoogaBarooga
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ScotRail have produced a list of FAQs relating to the pay offer. It's basically asking people to work through the strike by emailing a confidential email address. Bloody hell.
As an effectively nationalised operator at this point, they wouldn't be living up to their duties to the public if they didn't try to maintain some level of service?ScotRail have produced a list of FAQs relating to the pay offer. It's basically asking people to work through the strike by emailing a confidential email address. Bloody hell.
Quite agree. If the union won't send details of the offer to their members, then someone has to.As an effectively nationalised operator at this point, they wouldn't be living up to their duties to the public if they didn't try to maintain some level of service?
Unions only work for so long as all the employees consent to allowing the union to represent them.
Considering with previous ballots there's been a fair chunk of members not voting this could be very interesting. As you say too with the service they need to provide this is the right call.As an effectively nationalised operator at this point, they wouldn't be living up to their duties to the public if they didn't try to maintain some level of service?
Unions only work for so long as all the employees consent to allowing the union to represent them.
Fire and re hire, yes a wonderful Tory idea that!Are we at the stage now where we can consider dismissing all those striking/non-cooperating, the whole lot, and training new staff up from scratch? I understand there are a lot of current applicants. How many months without service before they would become productive?
Are we at the stage now where we can consider dismissing all those striking/non-cooperating, the whole lot, and training new staff up from scratch? I understand there are a lot of current applicants. How many months without service before they would become productive?
We seem to be getting off topic here but the railway scheme is a final salary scheme which will be the same regardless if you are on strike or not.With a final salary pension scheme that for example is based on the average salary in the last 12 months it obviously has a massively adverse impact for anyone retiring shortly
No, we definitely don't rehire the strikers. New personnel.Fire and re hire, yes a wonderful Tory idea that!
Has this forum reached an all time low?
Fire and re hire, yes a wonderful Tory idea that!
Has this forum reached an all time low?
I think you will find that this a public forum, and people from all political persuasions are allowed to comment.Fire and re hire, yes a wonderful Tory idea that!
Has this forum reached an all time low?
I'm pretty sure all this has been done before. Providing free food and drink on shift and allowing everyone to work in non-uniform are also common.ScotRail have produced a list of FAQs relating to the pay offer. It's basically asking people to work through the strike by emailing a confidential email address. Bloody hell.
Southern made almost all of their conductors redundant and gave them new roles through the statutory consultation that followed. If you dismiss your staff you dismiss them, though, not offer them another job. The relationship has broken down by that point. If you start a redundancy consultation you might have to pay redundancy pay though, which you don't if you dismiss someone.In fairness, this was essentially what southern did to force the OBS contract (in the end). I'm really quite surprised it hasn't happened already, given how long this has been going on. Perhaps it would make the SNP look a little too far to the right?
No, we definitely don't rehire the strikers. New personnel.
It follows; if the existing staff are so hacked off with the conditions of the job, they are unlikely, whatever the final outcome, to go forward with any sense of enthusiasm. Customer service will fall off a cliff edge. Safety will slip. Best to start again. Nothing to do with any political party.
Southern made almost all of their conductors redundant and gave them new roles through the statutory consultation that followed. If you dismiss your staff you dismiss them, though, not offer them another job. The relationship has broken down by that point. If you start a redundancy consultation you might have to pay redundancy pay though, which you don't if you dismiss someone.
It must be jolly hard for the guys who would just prefer this were over with and could get back to it.
Absolutely nothing stopping anyone “getting back to it”
This is a common myth. The only legal restriction on paying people different amounts for equivalent work is that it must not directly or indirectly discriminate against certain protected characteristics.Not sure of the legality either.
Scotrail are now saying if non union staff break the strike and work through COP26 they will receive the £300 payment AND the pay rise.
Paying 2 people different salary’s for doing exactly the same job doesn’t seem right. Not sure of the legality either.
You know that's not true. Right or wrong anyone crossing picket lines in traincrew grades is likely to have a miserable time of it for a long time to come.
I know a driver who crossed a picket line in 1982 who people still don't talk to - I am not, for the record, one of them.
Regardless of what anyone says, choosing to work will have consequences, some people don't care about them but I would say they are the minority.
It'll be interesting to see how many union members that turns. It is legal as others have said. Given that money has been lost by this going on so long I'd imagine some might be tempted to workScotrail are now saying if non union staff break the strike and work through COP26 they will receive the £300 payment AND the pay rise.
Paying 2 people different salary’s for doing exactly the same job doesn’t seem right. Not sure of the legality either.
It's certainly not pleasant but it's also certainly not unusual!Paying 2 people different salary’s for doing exactly the same job doesn’t seem right.
Indeed. It sounds like a miserable choice between the consequences in the form of 8 or more days lost pay, or pariah status / bullying risk etcRegardless of what anyone says, choosing to work will have consequences, some people don't care about them but I would say they are the minority.
If anyone is scummy enough to bully someone for making their own decision now after how long this has gone on I'd imagine that would potentially lead to sackings if management catch on. I wonder how attractive a job at Scotrail is to the general public is at the current time. I know in the past I've applied for different roles in both Scotrail and Network Rail, never lead to anything but I'd imagine if a role was infront of me within Scotrail these days I'd be far more hesitant to touch it.Indeed. It sounds like a miserable choice between the consequences in the form of 8 or more days lost pay, or pariah status / bullying risk etc
The simple fear of being bullied as a so-called "scab" will likely be sufficient for most not to consider it, however, even if they wanted to.If anyone is scummy enough to bully someone for making their own decision now after how long this has gone on I'd imagine that would potentially lead to sackings if management catch on. I wonder how attractive a job at Scotrail is to the general public is at the current time. I know in the past I've applied for different roles in both Scotrail and Network Rail, never lead to anything but I'd imagine if a role was infront of me within Scotrail these days I'd be far more hesitant to touch it.
Sadly I agree with you. We are still stuck in the dark ages with things like that.The simple fear of being bullied as a so-called "scab" will likely be sufficient for most not to consider it, however, even if they wanted to.
Those people are the sort who are not worth any decent person speaking to.I know a driver who crossed a picket line in 1982 who people still don't talk to - I am not, for the record, one of them.
Only in certain industries; the rail industry is one of the few left stuck in the dark ages.Sadly I agree with you. We are still stuck in the dark ages with things like that.
You know that's not true. Right or wrong anyone crossing picket lines in traincrew grades is likely to have a miserable time of it for a long time to come.
I know a driver who crossed a picket line in 1982 who people still don't talk to - I am not, for the record, one of them.
Regardless of what anyone says, choosing to work will have consequences, some people don't care about them but I would say they are the minority.
I know.
It’s wrong though, particularly towards those that are not in the union.
I'm convinced the rail industry is very far behind on a lot of things which is ironic given that the social media staff for Scotrail are very good when it comes to sharing things related to mental health. If only the rest of the industry was in 2021 with us.Those people are the sort who are not worth any decent person speaking to.
Only in certain industries; the rail industry is one of the few left stuck in the dark ages.