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Media reporting 250mm (nearly a foot !!) of rain over next 36 hours in Cumbria and parts of Scotland
Get your wellies out !!
Get your wellies out !!
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Heavy rain forecast for Cumbria & Scotland (28/10-30/10) - rail services will be affected.
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Two Amber Warnings have been issued starting tonight at 2100. North West England and South West Scotland.
Avanti Journey Check are advising a revised TT will apply north of Preston today and tomorrow
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Bletchleyite
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Wondered why the "via Brum" services were missing earlier on!
Edinburgh Avanti running a shuttle to Glasgow for onward services. Very little information and a lot of confusion about alternative routes. Apparently they “issued a Do Not Travel” notice via social media, whatever that is supposed to mean; very few people seem to have heard of it, especially in Edinburgh which has been blustery but dry.
CIS at Birmingham New St stating that a change is required off the 14.15 Avanti departure to Preston for a "shuttle service to Scotland".
trainophile
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Why are TPE showing pretty much a normal service on the WCML tomorrow, while Avanti are cancelling many trains?
Bletchleyite
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Presumably they are trying to avoid delays caused by this causing the service south of Preston to collapse? A bit like the way LNR splits at Northampton when things go wrong?
Less needed for TPE because their service is only really important north of Preston, there are plenty of other Manchester-Preston services.
trainophile
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Not much choice for Penrith to Preston though! Just found out my 1004 is cancelled tomorrow. ticket acceptance with TPE but no doubt it will be rammed, it is at the best of times.
I'm guessing so they don't become stranded.
I've been following developments today, first thing I thought about TPE ticket acceptance was 'Well, good luck anyone boarding that service'
DanNCL
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Lumo were used today to help move passengers caught up in the WCML disruption. A number of TPE passengers from Edinburgh travelling to Manchester were put on the 16:12 Lumo service, which made an additional stop at York for the purpose of allowing the displaced TPE passengers to connect onto other services to Manchester. Good to see that Lumo are happy to help the franchised operators out (especially so soon after launch), I would guess that in the likely event of the WCML disruption continuing tomorrow for TPE that Lumo may do the same as today with the 16:12 from Edinburgh again.
Bletchleyite
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If what TPE Twitter are saying is correct, that LNER are enforcing compulsory reservations while every other TOC takes full and standing loads, they need a punch in their proverbials. Or if it's not true, TPE need to take the Tweet down.
It seems ironic that a fully commercial TOC is helping out, and a Government owned one much less so!
It seems ironic that a fully commercial TOC is helping out, and a Government owned one much less so!
DanNCL
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LNER haven’t had compulsory reservations since July so TPE are wrong. LNER services still have the compulsory reservation flag in the system, but so do XC and Lumo.
Probably worth noting that TPE, Avanti and Lumo are all owned by First Group, which’ll no doubt be part of the reason why they’re cooperating to the extent that they are.
There is very likely to still be an Avanti service, just not many and not running beyond Preston.
E.g. An 0836 Glasgow Central to Preston is currently showing, leaving Penrith at 1116.
Worth noting that Avanti have issued do not travel advice for tomorrow which includes Penrith.
Bletchleyite
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Depending on the effect on Lakeland roads e.g. if any bridges were out, an emergency option (slow but very scenic) would be the X5/X6 to Keswick then the 555 down to Lancaster, and if necessary the bus from there to Preston.
Caught the 11.11 Wigan to Euston yesterday (Weds); it was completely rammed. The TM declassified the whole train at Warrington which alleviated things somewhat. No 1st class service anyway (crew had been booked from Glasgow and the service started at Preston). No at seat service and the shop was overwhelmed and closed early. Saved me an SP upgrade and we were only a few mins late at Euston. Seemed a bit chaotic but in the end we arrived intact. From what I could gather no AWC running north of Preston in either direction all of yesterday and today as well...
Considering the bad weather is further north why did Avanti West Coast decide to curtail all their Blackpool services at Preston yesterday? The reason given was forecast severe weather but Blackpool wasn't due to get any and other services were running to/from Blackpool with no problem.
Booked to travel on the 0836 GLC EUS today with off peak return (thanks Avanti for keeping it cheaper to buy flexible ticket and upgrading to SP on the train as otherwise may have been on advance tickets)
On announcement yesterday jumped on Seatfrog and got a 1st class upgrade on the 0648 LNER GLC KGX for 23 quid!
Did not enjoy the early alarm!
On announcement yesterday jumped on Seatfrog and got a 1st class upgrade on the 0648 LNER GLC KGX for 23 quid!
Did not enjoy the early alarm!
I went from Crewe to Wigan yesterday, using the only service in the hour to go to Preston and further north... (out of about 17 departures in the hour.
The individual platform departure boards were working but every other (summary) one just said "bad weather, do not travel" or words to that effect.
Several people besides me pointed out that most trains were running unaffected and the lack of info was most unhelpful, especially when the railway abruptly changed a departure from pfm 11 to 6 with almost no notice apart from an announcement and it just vanishing from the board. A couple of staff were yelling at passengers to move as their train ran in on a different platform!
Not at all customer-friendly, or the way to build confidence to get people to change to a lower-carbon mode of transport.
The individual platform departure boards were working but every other (summary) one just said "bad weather, do not travel" or words to that effect.
Several people besides me pointed out that most trains were running unaffected and the lack of info was most unhelpful, especially when the railway abruptly changed a departure from pfm 11 to 6 with almost no notice apart from an announcement and it just vanishing from the board. A couple of staff were yelling at passengers to move as their train ran in on a different platform!
Not at all customer-friendly, or the way to build confidence to get people to change to a lower-carbon mode of transport.
Steddenm
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The Blackpool line sometimes floods at Poulton-le-Fylde and AWC wouldn't want a unit stranded there that they can use on shuttles from Preston to London.
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Millom is apparently unreachable by road according to the BBC and most trains on the Cumbrian Coast have been cancelled. Thankfully I came back on the 18th!
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I'm guessing Avanti turned around the Blackpool bound trains at Preston to enable them to have a train available for the xx17 Preston to London via Birmingham services.
alexf380
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Avanti stating on twitter that there's a landslip at Beattock. Looks like there could be disruption for a while. Not good news as I'm meant to be on the 06:52 from Edinburgh tomorrow morning!
Not been that wet in Ribblesdale today. How it is further north I dunno.
No landslip, Slight flooding with caution on lines, but lines still open
alexf380
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Well that's certainly good news. I'll be keeping an eye on things for sure.
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Classic case of bad journalism on BBC Radio Cumbria's traffic news this morning
After giving the bad news of numerous road closures and rail problems, they announced the Windermere (chain) ferry was "off the water" due to heavy rain - and high tides.............
After giving the bad news of numerous road closures and rail problems, they announced the Windermere (chain) ferry was "off the water" due to heavy rain - and high tides.............
trainophile
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All very well saying "do not travel" but my hotel booking was until this morning, and I would have been stranded. When I considered booking an extra night before all this kicked off, the Penrith Premier Inn was wanting an unbelievable £156 or something like it, just for one night. Still a lot of late season holidaymakers around it seems. The place I was staying had no availability for tonight, neither did anywhere much else in walking distance of the station.
Avanti managed to run a service from GLC early today, which I boarded at 0905 at Penrith, and it saved my day. However I couldn't understand how they managed to do this when they had already declared later services cancelled.
Is it just me or did anyone else think "half term, hmm..."? Sorry if that's unwarranted, I expect it's just a coincidence.
Avanti managed to run a service from GLC early today, which I boarded at 0905 at Penrith, and it saved my day. However I couldn't understand how they managed to do this when they had already declared later services cancelled.
Is it just me or did anyone else think "half term, hmm..."? Sorry if that's unwarranted, I expect it's just a coincidence.
From living up there for a couple of years (and working in a tourist attraction), half term was almost as bad as peak season from a holidaymaking point of view- people seemed to be less likely to go abroad for half term so ended up having a few days or daytripping in the lakes.
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