Drivers shift plan

Lawman · 20 Dec 2010

Folks, new to the forum.... can anyone tell me what hours and shifts a Virgin Pendalino driver does in a typical day.. ie.. a 10.40 service from Glasgow Central to London Euston.. would he drive both down and up or would the journey be split? Thanks in advance

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Pumbaa · 20 Dec 2010

Lawman said:
Folks, new to the forum.... can anyone tell me what hours and shifts a Virgin Pendalino driver does in a typical day.. ie.. a 10.40 service from Glasgow Central to London Euston.. would he drive both down and up or would the journey be split? Thanks in advance

He'd work it to Preston, have a personal needs break (PNB), then could go either to Wolves on a SuperVoyager, then Pendo to Euston, PNB, Pendo to Preston/Manc/Liv (Pass to Preston) PNB, then work back to Glasgow.

Or he could go Glasgow - Preston - Edin/London - Pres - Glas. Insert PNB as appropriate.

Cue Phillip Elliot- a traincrew diagrammer for VT. He should be able to provide a comprehensive answer.

Lawman · 20 Dec 2010

many thanks for that..

westcoaster · 20 Dec 2010

Lawman said:
Folks, new to the forum.... can anyone tell me what hours and shifts a Virgin Pendalino driver does in a typical day.. ie.. a 10.40 service from Glasgow Central to London Euston.. would he drive both down and up or would the journey be split? Thanks in advance

Only Preston drivers do the whole WCML, no idea about link structures.

Should imagine a typical early would be

Book on - get a train from the depot- work the train to Preston- pnb - work train to Glasgow - finish

And reverse of the above for a late, but this is just what I guess, as I don't work there I don't know.

MidnightFlyer · 20 Dec 2010

I can confirm that only Preston drivers sign the full Euston-Crewe-Preston-Carlisle-Glasgow, I assume that Glasgow men would sign as far as Preston, and Edinburgh-Carstairs, as well as diversionary routes via Shotts, and maybe the S&C

Philip Elliott · 20 Dec 2010

Lawman, I shall PM you tomorrow when I have time...

ainsworth74 · 20 Dec 2010

They're going to need to get up to 5 posts in order to be able to receive it.

The Barlow Boy · 20 Dec 2010

As a slight follow-on from that...do any passenger workings involve lodging nowadays. When I started only Kings Cross, Newcastle and Edinburgh blokes were lodging.

westcoaster · 20 Dec 2010

Iirc
Grand central
Hull trains
Scot rail sleepers
Nxec
Not 100% wrexham and shropshire

Pumbaa · 21 Dec 2010

W+S lodge; they also do a lodge turn for the Moor St workings for Chiltern.

As few as I knew, Glasgow also signed all the way into London on the WCML. Actually, if I can dig out the post from wnxx, he gave a thorough run-down of illustrative workings etc.

Lawman · 21 Dec 2010

Philip Elliott said:
Lawman, I shall PM you tomorrow when I have time...

Thanks Philip!
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Pumbaa said:
W+S lodge; they also do a lodge turn for the Moor St workings for Chiltern.

As few as I knew, Glasgow also signed all the way into London on the WCML. Actually, if I can dig out the post from wnxx, he gave a thorough run-down of illustrative workings etc.

That would be great if you could Pumbaa!

37401 · 21 Dec 2010

Maybe its just me but, just seems like an odd question to ask really, same with your other thread asking if FOC drivers are alone in the cab

the sniper · 21 Dec 2010

37401 said:
Maybe its just me but, just seems like an odd question to ask really

I find this kind of stuff quite interesting... :oops:

Lawman · 21 Dec 2010

37401 said:
Maybe its just me but, just seems like an odd question to ask really

Obviously like i had said... Im new to the forum!! In my opinion it was a question that i felt this forum could answer for me.

37401 · 21 Dec 2010

the sniper said:
I find this kind of stuff quite interesting...

I agree, but its just me, I just saw it as "New guy joins the forum, makes 2 threads one asking when drivers change over, and one asking if FOC drivers are alone in the cab"

Lawman · 21 Dec 2010

37401 said:
Maybe its just me but, just seems like an odd question to ask really, same with your other thread asking if FOC drivers are alone in the cab

Is this not what this forum is for??

I know there is alot of people in this forum who have a good understanding of the railways but we have all got to start out somewhere!

37401 · 21 Dec 2010

I wasnt thinking that, nothing personal mate

Anyways, Back on topic

junglejames · 21 Dec 2010

Surely for the West Coast between Glasgow and Euston, Glasgow drivers would do a return to Preston. Preston drivers a return to either Glasgow or London, and London drivers a return to Preston. Basically exactly the same as on the ECML.
For Liverpool and Manchester, It would be one return between London and one of the above. Or Vice versa if your based in Pool or Manc.
Not sure about Holyhead, but on those that are dragged, im guessing its a different driver from Crewe.

MidnightFlyer · 21 Dec 2010

There are no Holyhead based drivers, I would assume it is Liverpool men who work it, and Manchester/Liverpool men work their respective routes, and any necessary diversionary routes, to London. AFAIK, the only men who sign Crewe-Preston via Wigan NW are Wolves, Euston and Preston men, and the only ones who sign north thereof are Preston and Glasgow men. Euston men I assume work to Wolves, Liverpool, Manchester and Preston, I think Preston men sign Chester too, as do Euston.

Pumbaa · 21 Dec 2010

Most turns that don't require a ECS movement off/onto depot will have double what you've suggested, ie London - Manc - London - Liv - London.

Virgin crew did a deal so now they can't go over the same track twice in a shift, ie do London - Manc - London - Manc - London.

notadriver · 21 Dec 2010

That was very informative. Thank you.

ukrob · 21 Dec 2010

Can you confirm that a 57 drag still requires two drivers - one in the 57 and one in the Pendolino?

ukrob · 21 Dec 2010

Philip Elliott said:
Yes, a 57 driver plus a 'rider' in the Pendo.

Thanks, thought so.

Nobody believes me when I tell them.

Striker · 22 Dec 2010

What does a driver do when he wants to go to the toilet at the start of the journey? Not a joke question.

MidnightFlyer · 22 Dec 2010

Striker said:
What does a driver do when he wants to go to the toilet at the start of the journey? Not a joke question.

They go beforehand, or leg it if they have a 2-3 minute wait in a station at a guess, not much they can go though.

notadriver · 22 Dec 2010

Striker said:
What does a driver do when he wants to go to the toilet at the start of the journey? Not a joke question.

Have you any ambitions to join the railway Striker?

westcoaster · 22 Dec 2010

Go to the toilet.

Pumbaa · 22 Dec 2010

westcoaster said:
Go to the toilet.

classic head/desk contact moment there!

Striker · 22 Dec 2010

notadriver said:
Have you any ambitions to join the railway Striker?

Why do you ask?
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westcoaster said:
Go to the toilet.

I believe some of the Euston to Glasgow services go non-stop from Euston to Preston. Am I right in thinking there is only one driver? In which case, what happens when, just after leaving Euston, the driver feels that urge to shake his snake?

MidnightFlyer · 22 Dec 2010

Striker said:
I believe some of the Euston to Glasgow services go non-stop from Euston to Preston. Am I right in thinking there is only one driver? In which case, what happens when, just after leaving Euston, the driver feels that urge to shake his snake?

Go beforehand, you cannot abandon your post for the entire journey, and I think your manager would have serious words if you tried otherwise... loving the description though!

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