• Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Telegraph: Secret Whitehall plan to cut one in four trains blamed for rail chaos

Status
Not open for further replies.

deepeetw

Member
Joined
19 Feb 2012
Messages
70
Saw this in the Telegraph earlier - two questions - will 16/1 be too late for all this, and will the services ever return?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...l-plan-cut-one-four-trains-blamed-rail-chaos/

Widespread cancellations attributed to Covid-related staff shortages are part of a secret government strategy, say rail bosses

By Oliver Gill, Chief Business Correspondent 4 January 2022 • 6:55pm

Commuters are facing chaos on the railways this month because of a secret Whitehall plan to cut more than one in four train services, insiders have revealed.

Tens of thousands of travellers were stung by cancellations on Tuesday that have been publicly blamed on Covid-related staff shortages, with services into London and around the country severely reduced.

However, rail bosses privately accused the Government of exacerbating the chaos through their handling of a secret plan, agreed before the Christmas break, to scale back services in response to the omicron surge.

The Telegraph has learnt that an emergency timetable was signed off by Peter Wilkinson, head of passenger services at the Department for Transport (DfT), before Christmas.

In what was supposed to be a coordinated effort, operators agreed to reduce services to approximately 70pc of pre-pandemic levels by Jan 16.

But in subsequent weeks, senior industry sources say that they have since been met with radio silence from Whitehall amid a backlash against omicron curbs on the Tory backbenches.

Rail bosses complain that there had been no coordination by the DfT while the situation has deteriorated. Operators have started to unilaterally cut services and introduce emergency timetables as a result, it is claimed.

An industry source said: “They [the Government] are owning the problem, not the solution. If you do it [cut services] in a haphazard way, it gives the network a bad name.”

Victoria has been hit hardest after Southern rail cancelled all its trains in and out of London’s second-busiest railway station until Jan 10. This disruption alone is estimated to have hit tens of thousands of passengers.

A spokesman for Southern said that the cancellation would not drag on beyond Monday next week.

The Rail Delivery Group, the trade body for operators, said that 6,000 staff, or one in 10 rail workers, are off work.

ScotRail was among those to announce reduced timetables or warn of cancellations.The operator said 160 of its 2,000 daily services would be culled from Tuesday.

Alex Hynes, chief executive, told the BBC: "Over the last few weeks because of record numbers of Covid cases we have been cancelling too many trains so we have decided to proactively put this revised timetable in to give our customers greater certainty on the service we can offer.

"There will be a few twists and turns in this Covid tale until it's over."

Another operator, CrossCountry, said its staff absences are "worsening each day".

Rail use remains far off pre-pandemic levels
It is understood that the difficulties at CrossCountry, which runs long-distance services from Aberdeen to Penzance, have been aggravated by a row with drivers union Aslef over a “rest-day working agreement” that allows the company to ask staff to work on days off.

Transpennine Express, Avanti West Coast and state-owned Transport for Wales and LNER have also been forced to cancel dozens of services.

The situation has been further complicated by pressure from Whitehall on train companies to cut costs. The end of rail franchising, announced by Boris Johnson last May, means that taxpayers rather than rail operators now foot the bill for running train services.

One industry insider said that the cuts were only partly to do with Covid-related staff shortages. Another reason was the government advice to work from home was possible, meaning operators felt under pressure to reduce the burden on the Exchequer by cancelling services.

The insider said: "The DfT has emphasised to rail operators the need to run more efficient services."

A government source confirmed that it had asked operators to provide business plans to ensure taxpayer money is used efficiently.

They added: “With passenger numbers significantly down, it would be reckless and irresponsible not to ensure that the railway is more efficient and reducing its costs to the taxpayer.”

But officials insisted that investment in the railways is at record levels.

A DfT spokesman said: “We recognise the challenges rail operators are facing and have taken a number of steps to reduce the impact … and will consider temporary revised timetables where there are serious staff shortages.

“It is demonstrably false to suggest the Government is delivering cuts to the railway. We recently announced a £96bn programme to transform rail journeys, and our restoring your railways scheme is expanding, not shrinking, the rail network.”
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

Failed Unit

Established Member
Joined
26 Jan 2009
Messages
8,881
Location
Central Belt
Don’t the TOCs keep saying that variable costs are low. Still need to pay leases, staff etc.

The problem is these cutbacks are pushing people away from rail and into cars. Will they return? Does the government want them to return?
 

deepeetw

Member
Joined
19 Feb 2012
Messages
70
The problem is these cutbacks are pushing people away from rail and into cars. Will they return? Does the government want them to return?

I’ve had conversations with a few people that are comparing their rail costs for “office days” with the congestion charge and giving a move to the road serious consideration.
 

philosopher

Established Member
Joined
23 Sep 2015
Messages
1,349

F Great Eastern

Established Member
Joined
2 Apr 2009
Messages
3,589
Location
East Anglia
The problem is these cutbacks are pushing people away from rail and into cars. Will they return? Does the government want them to return?

This is the way it is now I'm afraid.

The next few years, with or without COVID are not going to be pleasant and those who were cheering wildly the end of the franchising model may not get to see the kind of utopia they thought.
 

yorksrob

Veteran Member
Joined
6 Aug 2009
Messages
38,942
Location
Yorks
Well, the hourly Castleford - Huddersfield service is demonstrably no longer running, so perhaps the DfT spokesman could demonstrate when it will be coming back.
 

Peterthegreat

Established Member
Joined
22 Feb 2021
Messages
1,333
Location
South Yorkshire
Well, the hourly Castleford - Huddersfield service is demonstrably no longer running, so perhaps the DfT spokesman could demonstrate when it will be coming back.
Nor is the service on the S & K from Sheffield to York, the Brigg line or Doncaster to Scunthorpe stoppers. Reduce the service whilst telling people to work from home, hope no one kicks up a fuss, don't reintroduce them. So much for "reversing Beeching". and "levelling up"
 

Bald Rick

Veteran Member
Joined
28 Sep 2010
Messages
29,172
The first part of that report sounds like a load of rubbish to me.
 

Nicholas Lewis

Established Member
Joined
9 Aug 2019
Messages
6,096
Location
Surrey
The first part of that report sounds like a load of rubbish to me.
but the second part sound on the money?

Reality is surely that any business in this environment can work out that staff absences will be higher than usual so they need to right size their offering to matching most likely resources. This is happening at my sons work where they've cut 15% off orders they can pick and deliver daily due to current level of staff absences. DofT (Shapps) just need to own it and just explain they've tasked TOCs to temporarily lower train frequency so they can continue to provide a robust service through this difficult period and will restore them when staffing levels return to normal. Of course they won't and hence the media can run a story like this.

The reality is operating support is being provided at 100's millions every month while wfh is the guidance so why don't they just square the circle with everyone whats happening.
 

Failed Unit

Established Member
Joined
26 Jan 2009
Messages
8,881
Location
Central Belt
Y
This is the way it is now I'm afraid.

The next few years, with or without COVID are not going to be pleasant and those who were cheering wildly the end of the franchising model may not get to see the kind of utopia they thought.
yep, like many businesses in recessions. The ones that cut the deepest can’t respond when the demand comes back.

granted in London and South East it will be a while before we need high frequency 12 car trains. But my experience of regional routes is the demand recovery is better from a low base granted. Possibly because the people using rail in those areas have no choice. (No car for exampl)
 

Deafdoggie

Established Member
Joined
29 Sep 2016
Messages
3,076
Will this "secret" Governmental service cuts cause not a little annoyance to the RMT and their current master-plan for service disruptions on certain sectors?
The government want service cuts. They care not if it comes from TOCs or RMT. The ideal is less trains running and less expense.
 

Meole

Member
Joined
28 Oct 2018
Messages
453
London weighting is paid to tens of thousands of civil servants to cover the high cost of rail season tickets, as they WAH eventually this payment will be withdrawn, commuting on a daily basis will be forgotten and in due course the rail network in the SE will be scaled back saving much financial support.
 

Xenophon PCDGS

Veteran Member
Joined
17 Apr 2011
Messages
32,369
Location
A semi-rural part of north-west England
London weighting is paid to tens of thousands of civil servants to cover the high cost of rail season tickets, as they WAH eventually this payment will be withdrawn, commuting on a daily basis will be forgotten and in due course the rail network in the SE will be scaled back saving much financial support.
Will any proposed new station openings be also subjected to possible cut-backs to also save Governmental financial requirements?
 

mike57

Established Member
Joined
13 Mar 2015
Messages
1,658
Location
East coast of Yorkshire
Our line (Sheffield - Hull - Scarbourough) was cut back at the timetable change in December, with most of Hull - Brid stoppers being culled. This leaves an hourly (nearly) all stations service between Hull and Scarborough. We are told that the service will strengthened again in the summer, but I think we are are now looking at 'Summer' and 'Winter' timetables on this route, and to be honest an hourly service probably matches demand in the Winter.

Covid has also affected things like training, so as well as the current surge of Covid absences there are some longer term problems.

I would rather have a thinned out timetable that runs than an unrelaible mess. I dont see the Telegraph article telling us anything that anyone with a bit of common sense couldnt work out. 'Work from home' = less demand, so cut services back to match demand.

I do think this latest period of WHF will be a another nail in the coffin of commuting, our office was trying to encourage people to go back in a couple of days a week if they were local, and reintroduce the weekly meeting for the more remote people like myself, but this is now on hold, and I think buried, we are getting the work out, and I am sensing a change of direction, with the company accepting that if they upset people by 'forcing' them back into the office then people will leave, as certainly amongst my colleagues the realisation that spending 1 - 2 hours per day travelling is a waste of time and money that can be avoided.
 

yorksrob

Veteran Member
Joined
6 Aug 2009
Messages
38,942
Location
Yorks
London weighting is paid to tens of thousands of civil servants to cover the high cost of rail season tickets, as they WAH eventually this payment will be withdrawn, commuting on a daily basis will be forgotten and in due course the rail network in the SE will be scaled back saving much financial support.

They already did that in Sussex in the sixties. There's nothing left to cut there.

Rail travel was recovering reasonably well last year. Once we get some stability in terms of the pandemic, it will again and there will not be any justification for a scaling back of the network.
 

deltic

Established Member
Joined
8 Feb 2010
Messages
3,212
London weighting is paid to tens of thousands of civil servants to cover the high cost of rail season tickets, as they WAH eventually this payment will be withdrawn, commuting on a daily basis will be forgotten and in due course the rail network in the SE will be scaled back saving much financial support.
London weighting is paid by most employers and also covers the higher cost of housing. With more remote working many employers will be looking at where their staff live as well as work. I know people taken on by London based organisations during the pandemic living in the Lake District who have never visited thier London office and who receive London weighting.
 

philosopher

Established Member
Joined
23 Sep 2015
Messages
1,349
I do think this latest period of WHF will be a another nail in the coffin of commuting, our office was trying to encourage people to go back in a couple of days a week if they were local, and reintroduce the weekly meeting for the more remote people like myself, but this is now on hold, and I think buried, we are getting the work out, and I am sensing a change of direction, with the company accepting that if they upset people by 'forcing' them back into the office then people will leave, as certainly amongst my colleagues the realisation that spending 1 - 2 hours per day travelling is a waste of time and money that can be avoided.
In the next year or so, I agree commuting to office based jobs will be minimal. In the longer term I am not so sure. I don’t think levels of commuting will ever go back to 2019 levels, but I think it will rebound more than in it did in 2021. If WFH does maintain productivity levels long term then I think mass commuting is dead long term. However if longer term, productivity drops due to issues such as training new staff or less innovation than companies are likely to cool on WFH. At the moment the job market is quite favourable to employees, which is not going to be the case for ever.
 

kristiang85

Established Member
Joined
23 Jan 2018
Messages
2,655
London weighting is paid by most employers and also covers the higher cost of housing. With more remote working many employers will be looking at where their staff live as well as work. I know people taken on by London based organisations during the pandemic living in the Lake District who have never visited thier London office and who receive London weighting.
Some parts of the Lake District are as expensive as a place in London now...

But I get the point - I know a few who are relocating up north in my company and will work remotely (which is sad, as the social life in the office was one of the things I loved most about the job). I doubt the London weighting can be feasibly removed for individuals though, but it will be interesting to see what happens.

The article is quite vague on whether the cuts are temporary or permanent. The headline and a couple of sentences towards the end suggests the cuts are permanent, however most of the rest of the actual article suggests they are temporary.
Surely it needs to be temporary, otherwise Johnson's grand green future of the UK is nonsense, as so many will be encouraged to use cars.
 

Doctor Fegg

Established Member
Joined
9 Nov 2010
Messages
1,837
London weighting is paid to tens of thousands of civil servants to cover the high cost of rail season tickets, as they WAH eventually this payment will be withdrawn, commuting on a daily basis will be forgotten and in due course the rail network in the SE will be scaled back saving much financial support.
No it won't. Service frequency in the South-East may well be scaled back. There may well be more 365-alikes going to Booths before their time.

But "rail network" means lines, and if you think that the Tories are going to risk 50 more Chesham & Amershams by closing lines in their South-East heartland, I have a bridge to sell you.
 

Towers

Established Member
Joined
30 Aug 2021
Messages
1,678
Location
UK
A big part of the equation here is what is the industry doing to attract people back; the answer I fear is nowhere near enough. A nearly 4% price hike is expected in the coming months, it still costs ridiculous amounts to park at many prime commuter stations, and travellers are still being subjected to the practice of paying full price to undertake a 'rail' journey on board a double decker bus on a routine basis across the network; it just isn't good enough.

What we have here of course is one of the biggest about turns that an industry has seen for a long time, the railway having gone from enjoying a captive market of lucrative commuters with little choice, to suddenly being out in the cold and having to face the reality of needing to attract custom for the first time in a generation. Personally, I'm not convinced that the realisation has hit home yet, or that the response will be up to scratch when it does. I hope I'm wrong!
 

kristiang85

Established Member
Joined
23 Jan 2018
Messages
2,655
A big part of the equation here is what is the industry doing to attract people back; the answer I fear is nowhere near enough. A nearly 4% price hike is expected in the coming months, it still costs ridiculous amounts to park at many prime commuter stations, and travellers are still being subjected to the practice of paying full price to undertake a 'rail' journey on board a double decker bus on a routine basis across the network; it just isn't good enough.

What we have here of course is one of the biggest about turns that an industry has seen for a long time, the railway having gone from enjoying a captive market of lucrative commuters with little choice, to suddenly being out in the cold and having to face the reality of needing to attract custom for the first time in a generation. Personally, I'm not convinced that the realisation has hit home yet, or that the response will be up to scratch when it does. I hope I'm wrong!

And less passengers means more cuts, more cuts will undoubtedly mean more strikes, and more strikes will put off more passengers.....
 

Western 52

Member
Joined
19 Jun 2020
Messages
1,119
Location
Burry Port
It's not just commuter travel that may never return to 2019 levels. Business travel too is much reduced due to the growth of online meetings. Where I work this means at least one long rail journey a month is no longer made for each of us. Most of our meetings will now be online long term.
 

Nicholas Lewis

Established Member
Joined
9 Aug 2019
Messages
6,096
Location
Surrey
A big part of the equation here is what is the industry doing to attract people back; the answer I fear is nowhere near enough. A nearly 4% price hike is expected in the coming months, it still costs ridiculous amounts to park at many prime commuter stations, and travellers are still being subjected to the practice of paying full price to undertake a 'rail' journey on board a double decker bus on a routine basis across the network; it just isn't good enough.

What we have here of course is one of the biggest about turns that an industry has seen for a long time, the railway having gone from enjoying a captive market of lucrative commuters with little choice, to suddenly being out in the cold and having to face the reality of needing to attract custom for the first time in a generation. Personally, I'm not convinced that the realisation has hit home yet, or that the response will be up to scratch when it does. I hope I'm wrong!
All this is driven by government wanting to minimise the costs of supporting the railways so until there is change in policy to see that public transport is a key enabler to support modal shift from driving (this leading to better air quality, less congestion less accidents) nothing is going to change. Also the industry itself, as you say is denial, in part aided and abetted by the current TOC arrangements where the owners just have to turn up to make money and aren't interested in costs or income sufficiently. Furthermore the unions have got their head in the sand and until they come to terms with the need for change there is a risk they will just fuel the decline.

The industry is in desperate need for leadership and GBRs creation is the vehicle to drive things forward but DofT can't seem to grasp the importance of getting this accelerated not slowed down as now seems to be the case.

I do believe you will be wrong but not before we've gone through a lot of pain in service reductions but unlikely to be line closures although I wouldn't rule that out.
 

philosopher

Established Member
Joined
23 Sep 2015
Messages
1,349
What we have here of course is one of the biggest about turns that an industry has seen for a long time, the railway having gone from enjoying a captive market of lucrative commuters with little choice, to suddenly being out in the cold and having to face the reality of needing to attract custom for the first time in a generation. Personally, I'm not convinced that the realisation has hit home yet, or that the response will be up to scratch when it does. I hope I'm wrong!
For all the failings of the privatised railway industry, one thing they did succeed in was attracting new custom such as leisure travellers and commuters in cities outside of London to the railways. Prior to privatisation the railways were very reliant on SE England commuters. So the railway industry has done it before in recent times.
 

quantinghome

Established Member
Joined
1 Jun 2013
Messages
2,264
For all the failings of the privatised railway industry, one thing they did succeed in was attracting new custom such as leisure travellers and commuters in cities outside of London to the railways. Prior to privatisation the railways were very reliant on SE England commuters. So the railway industry has done it before in recent times.
Yes, leisure travel was successfully promoted by ramping up advance tickets. But then BR had done this in various ways and its 'Apex' fares were the forerunner of advance ticketing, so it may well have happened anyway, much as it has in other countries with nationalised railways. The key is to give rail managers the freedom to innovate. You don't need privatisation to do that.

As for greater commuting in cities outside London, that was largely due to changing work patterns and road congestion. The trend had been happening through the 1980s and early 90s, with important investments in the commuting networks in Leeds, Manchester and Birmingham. The trend continued through privatisation. It wasn't as if privatised companies provided a more enticing offer. Commuter services became more expensive and more crammed.
 

Failed Unit

Established Member
Joined
26 Jan 2009
Messages
8,881
Location
Central Belt
It will be interesting what the do in the peak. Most intercity operators ran nearly empty trains at a high premium. We will see if they go back to trying to fill trains with more seats sold at a lower cost.

travelling at 1700 was unaffordable for many which resulted in very overcrowded first off peak trains. Perhaps they may spread the demand.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top