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Just noticed Avanti West Coast have reduced London to Manchester from 3 trains per hour to 2 trains per hour.

This should help reduce the number of cancellations
 
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Believe it’s only temporary due to covid. The 20 minute service interval to Birmingham and Manchester always seemed their ‘flagship’ offering
 

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Just noticed Avanti West Coast have reduced London to Manchester from 3 trains per hour to 2 trains per hour.

This should help reduce the number of cancellations

Believe it’s only temporary due to covid. The 20 minute service interval to Birmingham and Manchester always seemed their ‘flagship’ offering

The reduction in service this week is due to engineering works necessitating diversion by Northampton.
 

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Grapevine reports big reductions from May
1 t.p.h

Euston to

-W Midlands
Manchester
Liverpool
Glasgow

driven by DFT to save £.....
 

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Grapevine reports big reductions from May
1 t.p.h

Euston to

-W Midlands
Manchester
Liverpool
Glasgow

driven by DFT to save £.....
You’d have to price passengers off the Manchester route then. If restrictions are lifted then even 2tph will struggle at times with loadings. West Mids too. The others are basically hourly anyway.
 

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Yeesh. Do the London Northwestern fast services to Crewe currently have enough free space to help with that reduction on Avanti?
 

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Just noticed Avanti West Coast have reduced London to Manchester from 3 trains per hour to 2 trains per hour.

This should help reduce the number of cancellations

it hasn’t been 3tph for the best part of a year.

Grapevine reports big reductions from May
1 t.p.h

Euston to

-W Midlands
Manchester
Liverpool
Glasgow

driven by DFT to save £.....

grapevine is wrong on date and reason.
 
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The 3tph Eus-Man was reinstated last December? And is back on the 13th Jan?

Apologies, brainfade on my part, you are quite right!!!!

current reductions are due to work in Kilsby tunnel. back to 3 on Thursday.
 

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Apologies, brainfade on my part, you are quite right!!!!

current reductions are due to work in Kilsby tunnel. back to 3 on Thursday.
Haha don't worry about it! :D

EDIT: Though I must say I am a bit worried about the apparent big reduction in May to 1tph per route :|
 

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Service cuts announced for Monday to Friday services from 17th January to 25th February.

Timetables are up for next week and lowlights include West Midlands to Euston services down to one per hour.

Train Timetables | Train Schedule | Avanti West Coast
Another operator running a nigh on 100% of planned service this week despite us being at the worst point in the pandemic forced to cull services from next week when in all likelihood by the following week restrictions will be removed and WFH guidance dialled back or pulled doesn't seem the right response to me. This will discourage passengers especially if overcrowding.

There wording in above press release leaves a lot to be desired as well

We’re running four trains per hour between London and Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, and Glasgow in addition to a number of services to North Wales, Shrewsbury, Blackpool and Edinburgh.
Ought to say one train per hour
 

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Another operator running a nigh on 100% of planned service this week despite us being at the worst point in the pandemic forced to cull services from next week when in all likelihood by the following week restrictions will be removed and WFH guidance dialled back or pulled doesn't seem the right response to me. This will discourage passengers especially if overcrowding.

There wording in above press release leaves a lot to be desired as well


Ought to say one train per hour
I suppose saying four an hour is technically correct, but it is definitely is misleading.
 

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I assume it will be:

1 TPH to Manchester
1 TPH to Birmingham
1 TPH to Glasgow
1 TPH to Liverpool

With a few additional trains to Edinburgh / Holyhead / Blackpool / Shrewsbury
 

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Another operator running a nigh on 100% of planned service this week despite us being at the worst point in the pandemic forced to cull services from next week when in all likelihood by the following week restrictions will be removed and WFH guidance dialled back or pulled doesn't seem the right response to me. This will discourage passengers especially if overcrowding.

Avanti isn't primarily a commuter TOC, and while commuting may slowly return to some extent, business travel certainly won't any time soon, and that's Avanti's weekday bread and butter (Friday evenings and weekends mostly leisure).

My employer has never gone as far as permitting business travel again, it was (briefly, for about 3 weeks) commuting to your base location only, and only if you were happy doing so, any employee had a right to say no.

This of course would explain why some services weren't open for booking, as referenced in another thread I can't quite find.

I assume it will be:

1 TPH to Manchester
1 TPH to Birmingham
1 TPH to Glasgow
1 TPH to Liverpool

With a few additional trains to Edinburgh / Holyhead / Blackpool / Shrewsbury

You don't need to assume, it's published on the link above, but yes it's roughly that. Though the Scotland via Birmingham is running too as the 1tph West Mids. Only to Edinburgh though, the ones that would go to Glasgow are diverted to Blackpool.
 

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Another operator running a nigh on 100% of planned service this week despite us being at the worst point in the pandemic forced to cull services from next week when in all likelihood by the following week restrictions will be removed and WFH guidance dialled back or pulled doesn't seem the right response to me.

They are running nowhere near 100% of a normal service though.
 

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Liverpool has never exceeded hourly. Just a few business extras. More likely the majority of the Chester starters will not resume if medium term cuts are mooted and Holyhead will not get its full London service back, which is a great shame as most of them were viable Chester to London services with a varying seasonal/time of day levels of demand West of there. In effect Liverpool never got 2 trains an hour because the Wirral has always made up a big chunk the Merseyside to Euston market on the leg off Lime Street at least but they still got away with hourly services off Lime St due to new Chester/Coast starters taking up enough of the passengers that used to use Liverpool when that went hourly. Of course, for nearly 2 years now Avanti has got away with service levels going worse than BR/early Virgin days off Chester to London because most of the Liverpool to London trains haven't been as full as they should have been.
 

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Liverpool has never exceeded hourly. Just a few business extras. More likely the majority of the Chester starters will not resume if medium term cuts are mooted and Holyhead will not get its full London service back, which is a great shame as most of them were viable Chester to London services with a varying seasonal/time of day levels of demand West of there. In effect Liverpool never got 2 trains an hour because the Wirral has always made up a big chunk the Merseyside to Euston market on the leg off Lime Street at least but they still got away with hourly services off Lime St due to new Chester/Coast starters taking up enough of the passengers that used to use Liverpool when that went hourly. Of course, for nearly 2 years now Avanti has got away with service levels going worse than BR/early Virgin days off Chester to London because most of the Liverpool to London trains haven't been as full as they should have been.

I suppose long term there is the question of whether there is much point in the direct London-Chester/Holyheads once HS2 makes Crewe-London much quicker. Perhaps more useful than the existing infrequent service would be a planned hourly clockface connection from a North Wales Coast to Birmingham via Crewe direct (as there used to be) to/from an HS2 service.
 

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I suppose long term there is the question of whether there is much point in the direct London-Chester/Holyheads once HS2 makes Crewe-London much quicker. Perhaps more useful than the existing infrequent service would be a planned hourly clockface connection from a North Wales Coast to Birmingham via Crewe direct (as there used to be) to/from an HS2 service.
Clockface on the north Wales coast …. dream on!
 
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