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I hear that cyclists are doing the world a favour rather a lot, but they take up a lot more road space than people on buses do.

However they are environmentally friendly and good for the cyclist's health, therefore they are to be encouraged in preference to buses.

The hierarchy goes roughly walk>cycle>electric public transport>ICE public transport>EV>ICE car>air, I'd say. With that middle one (ICE PT vs EV car) being decidedly close and could easily be flipped by e.g. a full greening of the electricity supply and is the one the railway needs to watch very carefully.

More importantly, if they prevent other people from buying an affordable seat on the train, or prevent adequate luggage provision, or get in the way of prams, then they are likely to cause other people to drive.

Space for three cycles takes away roughly 4 or 6 seats. Even in a 2-car DMU (typically about 130 seats) it's a very small proportion, and absent any bikes it can be used for standing space or prams. When you consider a long distance train with 500+ seats it's utterly negligible.

It's not a zero sum game, and these bike spaces can't be magicked up from nowhere without spending a huge amount of fare-payers or tax-payers money.

"Spending a small amount" would be more accurate.
 
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Have you actually thought what that would mean in practice? It's hard enough walking through the aisles of most trains (especially 3+2 seated ones), let alone trying to drag a bike through! This would be a complete non-starter.
I was suggesting putting bikes in an end vehicle which always overhangs the end of the platform at most stations, but has access to a door which is on the platform for bikes to be retrieved and taken off the train. I managed to drag my bike through a 323, which doesn’t have a bike space at all, once looking for it, before I realised there wasn’t one.
However they are environmentally friendly and good for the cyclist's health, therefore they are to be encouraged in preference to buses.

The hierarchy goes roughly walk>cycle>electric public transport>ICE public transport>EV>ICE car>air, I'd say. With that middle one (ICE PT vs EV car) being decidedly close and could easily be flipped by e.g. a full greening of the electricity supply and is the one the railway needs to watch very carefully.
How do road based buses, trams/light rail and heavy rail compare in this hierarchy? Trolleybuses are presumably superior to battery buses, but inferior to electric tramways on rails etc.
 

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However they are environmentally friendly and good for the cyclist's health, therefore they are to be encouraged in preference to buses.
Again, this is a case of not counting the cost of the cyclist in terms of making other people drive. Cyclists take up valuable road space, often space they are sharing with buses. In doing this they radically affect the speed and reliability of buses. This leads to people abandoning the buses and travelling by car instead. The health benefits of a typical cycle commute are pretty questionable anyway, and it would be far better to encourage more people to walk a bit (say, as far as the bus stop) than it is to encourage a small group of people to get super-fit.

Basically what I'm seeing is a small group of people who are failing to see the cost and disruption to wider society being caused by the anti-social contraptions. They've cobbled together some reason why their personal health benefits are useful to society, and are wildly overstating the environmental benefits of their space-and-time wasting habits. Now we see this absurd logic being stretched out to justify these anti-social menaces being provided with everything for free.
 

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Again, this is a case of not counting the cost of the cyclist in terms of making other people drive. Cyclists take up valuable road space, often space they are sharing with buses. In doing this they radically affect the speed and reliability of buses. This leads to people abandoning the buses and travelling by car instead. The health benefits of a typical cycle commute are pretty questionable anyway, and it would be far better to encourage more people to walk a bit (say, as far as the bus stop) than it is to encourage a small group of people to get super-fit.

Basically what I'm seeing is a small group of people who are failing to see the cost and disruption to wider society being caused by the anti-social contraptions. They've cobbled together some reason why their personal health benefits are useful to society, and are wildly overstating the environmental benefits of their space-and-time wasting habits. Now we see this absurd logic being stretched out to justify these anti-social menaces being provided with everything for free.
Why can both bikes and buses not be given segregated road space where this is an issue?
 

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I was suggesting putting bikes in an end vehicle which always overhangs the end of the platform at most stations, but has access to a door which is on the platform for bikes to be retrieved and taken off the train.
So effectively you are saying this coach must be the only coach off the platform. How is that going to work in practice if you were to (say) lengthen a 4 car unit to 5 coaches, and the platforms are a mixture of 1-4 cars long? Would you have the train stopping off the end of the platform to ensure the bike coach is always just one coach off the platform?

Again, it simply wouldn't be practical.

I managed to drag my bike through a 323, which doesn’t have a bike space at all, once looking for it, before I realised there wasn’t one.
There isn't a dedicated bike area but bikes can be stored next to the toilet.
 

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Why? That sounds problematic enough as it is? 8 doesn’t sound like anywhere near enough and why are all existing trains not required to be retrofitted with >8 bike spaces?
Because they prioritise seats for paying passengers?
 

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Again, this is a case of not counting the cost of the cyclist in terms of making other people drive. Cyclists take up valuable road space, often space they are sharing with buses.

If they are sharing with buses it's poorly designed. The Netherlands doesn't generally do this.

Basically what I'm seeing is a small group of people who are failing to see the cost and disruption to wider society being caused by the anti-social contraptions.

If there are any "anti-social contraptions" they've got four wheels and a petrol or diesel engine. Cycling is to be strongly encouraged in all circumstances (bar motorways).
 

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Pretty much the problem of travelling with bikes on intercity service is, there's no system to check bike availability before you book, which may cost people many wasted advance ticket in order to secure a space as unsure about which trains have bike space.

It is absurd, and it would be much better if a continental Europe system ( a small chargeable bike reservation fee, but easy to access) applies in the UK
Some of the train operators' websites do allow you to make a bike reservation before buying the ticket. I always use the Transpennine site for that reason (you can use it to make a journey in any part of the country).
 

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Cyclists take up valuable road space, often space they are sharing with buses. In doing this they radically affect the speed and reliability of buses. This leads to people abandoning the buses and travelling by car instead.
I invite you to come and watch the Botley Road in Oxford on a Saturday afternoon and tell me what’s slowing the buses down: is it a) the cycle track or b) the cars making their way to the Westgate Centre. For extra points, draw a new highway layout that will increase the throughput of people. I will be interested to see your proposals.
 

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I invite you to come and watch the Botley Road in Oxford on a Saturday afternoon and tell me what’s slowing the buses down: is it a) the cycle track or b) the cars making their way to the Westgate Centre. For extra points, draw a new highway layout that will increase the throughput of people. I will be interested to see your proposals.

Oxford is one of those compact, very walkable and cyclable places with excellent public transport (showing what can be achieved with bus alone) that would do well to completely ban private cars (including EVs) other than Blue Badge holders from a fairly large area.
 

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Oxford is one of those compact, very walkable and cyclable places with excellent public transport (showing what can be achieved with bus alone) that would do well to completely ban private cars (including EVs) other than Blue Badge holders from a fairly large area.
Oxford is interesting in that travel to the immediately adjacent towns is probably most conveniently done via car (though the quality of bus service is still very commendable), which consequently results in extremely busy traffic on Botley, Cowely and Iffley road at peak times. The urban environment, however, is indeed highly suited to cycling (the odd hill excepted). I'd agree that many streets are probably at a stage were some form of autoluwe is probably required, as while the cycling level is exceptional by British standards, the standard of cycling infrastructure is highly constrained by the age of many of the streets.

In my experience few seem to take bicycles on the train though which perhaps says something to the sort of internal journeys made that are suited to cycling and walking.
Some of the train operators' websites do allow you to make a bike reservation before buying the ticket. I always use the Transpennine site for that reason (you can use it to make a journey in any part of the country).
XC and Avanti have (albeit very complicated) ways of booking a bike reservation as well. ISTR having to call them up to arrange it as well.
 

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There isn't a dedicated bike area but bikes can be stored next to the toilet.
I am highly opposed to this as the area next to the toilet is often the wheelchair space, for the benefit of wheelchair users who may need the easiest access to it and I neither wish to occupy the wheelchair space with a bike to the detriment of a wheelchair user, nor do I wish to sit near the toilet at all, where there may also be e.g. crying babies who also need access to the toilet to have their nappies changed, the smell of the toilet itself, or passengers constantly walking past me to and from the toilet. On a 319/769 in particular I will always make sure never to sit in this in the TSOL car, for all the reasons above, but in this instance the loud compressor is also situated on the TSOL, making it the worst sounding carriage to sit in, with the compressor and flushing of the toilet over silence, the motors and transformer, or if applicable Diesel engines.
Because they prioritise seats for paying passengers?
But you can't expect as many passengers to pay at all if they are prevented from bringing bikes. I certainly wouldn't make anywhere near as many rail journeys, with the sole purpose of some of mine to complete scenic bike rides at the other end of the line.
If they are sharing with buses it's poorly designed. The Netherlands doesn't generally do this.
I can't believe cyclists are being blamed for delaying buses. I have overtaken stopped buses on my bike countless times. Both bikes and buses equally deserve segregated road space. What is important is that bikes should be allowed in all pedesterianised areas, as has recently been allowed in Southport, but "pedesterianised except buses" arrangements, for example the one in Preston should not.
If there are any "anti-social contraptions" they've got four wheels and a petrol or diesel engine. Cycling is to be strongly encouraged in all circumstances (bar motorways).
For what reason can provision not be made for cyclists on motorways? Converting the hard shoulder into a segregated cycle lane, retaining access along it's full length exclusively for emergency and broken down combustion engined vehicles would certainly be better than all lane running smart motorways.
Some of the train operators' websites do allow you to make a bike reservation before buying the ticket. I always use the Transpennine site for that reason (you can use it to make a journey in any part of the country).
How do you do this? I have never taken a bike on a TPE service.
Oxford is one of those compact, very walkable and cyclable places with excellent public transport (showing what can be achieved with bus alone) that would do well to completely ban private cars (including EVs) other than Blue Badge holders from a fairly large area.
I recall a rant by Jeremy Clarkson that "Now you do realise Oxford loathes the motor car" while testing the "Hammerhead Eagle i-Thrust", so it would certainly seem to be known as a place more accustomed to cycling and public transport than private car use and to have been like this for at least a while.
Oxford is interesting in that travel to the immediately adjacent towns is probably most conveniently done via car (though the quality of bus service is still very commendable), which consequently results in extremely busy traffic on Botley, Cowely and Iffley road at peak times. The urban environment, however, is indeed highly suited to cycling (the odd hill excepted). I'd agree that many streets are probably at a stage were some form of autoluwe is probably required, as while the cycling level is exceptional by British standards, the standard of cycling infrastructure is highly constrained by the age of many of the streets.

In my experience few seem to take bicycles on the train though which perhaps says something to the sort of internal journeys made that are suited to cycling and walking.
Why would it be more convenient to drive to the surrounding towns of Didcot or Banbury, Bicester Village or even villages along the Cotswold Line, rather than go on the train, or evem use it to go further afield to Worcester, Reading, Coventry, London or Birmingham for example? "Internal" journeys may be suited to cycling or walking purely due to the distances involved. A perfectly valid use case is cycling to the railway station, taking your bike on the train and then cycling to your destination, even returning from a different railway station although this complicates ticketing arrangements.
 

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Why would you want to cycle on the motorway? I have cycled on the A5 dual carriageway and it was grim, wouldn't do it again. All motorways have parallel minor (or major) conventional roads.
 

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I frequently take my bike on the train for local journeys. Since Covid I prefer to make my journeys to and from stations on my bike so that I don't have to use buses.

On Great Northern/Thameslink or West Anglia services it is local custom and practice to use the areas by the doors on the "six foot" side of the train for bikes, so it is rare to have difficulty finding somewhere to put your bike. It is of course a requirement to be alert when the train arrives at Cambridge and be ready to move your bike if it is on the platform side. In days gone by, when stopping trains between Royston and Cambridge, and Fen Line trains, had to be 4 cars, cycles were banned in the morning peak. Fortunately, with 8 car trains, that's no longer necessary.

For me the main constraint on taking my bike on the train is step free access. Some stations still do not have step free access, for example Ashwell and Morden, Baldock and Knebworth, also the down side at Great Chesterford. At other stations, although there is step free access on both sides, it is a journey in itself, and sometimes a dangerous one, to get from one side of the station to the other. Whittlesford Parkway and Welwyn North are good examples of this.

So, for me, sorting out step free access at stations is more important than sorting out capacity on the trains.
 

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Some of the train operators' websites do allow you to make a bike reservation before buying the ticket. I always use the Transpennine site for that reason (you can use it to make a journey in any part of the country).
Strange things is, don't know why there's a cap of 2 bike space per reservation, which is not convenient for group cycling of 3 or 4, especially with cycle or seat reservation can't be cancelled to release the space if the remaining 2 is booked.
 

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Oxford is one of those compact, very walkable and cyclable places with excellent public transport (showing what can be achieved with bus alone) that would do well to completely ban private cars (including EVs) other than Blue Badge holders from a fairly large area.
Absolutely, and ultimately that's the way the city is going. The next proposed step is basically to divide the city into "quarters" to restrict cross-town traffic: you'll still be able to get from any given A to any given B, but it might require going out to the ring road and back in again.

As you can imagine, this has got the frothers in the Oxford Mail comments section very exercised. ;)

Oxford is interesting in that travel to the immediately adjacent towns is probably most conveniently done via car (though the quality of bus service is still very commendable), which consequently results in extremely busy traffic on Botley, Cowely and Iffley road at peak times. The urban environment, however, is indeed highly suited to cycling (the odd hill excepted). I'd agree that many streets are probably at a stage were some form of autoluwe is probably required, as while the cycling level is exceptional by British standards, the standard of cycling infrastructure is highly constrained by the age of many of the streets.
Generally public transport is a better option for most town centre-to-Oxford journeys. Banbury-Oxford, Bicester-Oxford, Didcot-Oxford and Charlbury-Oxford are quickest by train. Witney-Oxford and Eynsham-Oxford are quickest by bus. Abingdon is probably more evenly balanced.

Where it gets more difficult (as anywhere) is when you're not starting from a town centre – if you live in the suburb of Hanwell Fields, for example, that's a two-mile journey to Banbury station even before you catch the train. But even then it should be better to drive to the outskirts of Oxford and catch the Park & Ride. The problem there is that the (entirely) car-induced congestion on several routes, but especially the Botley and Abingdon roads, is now causing serious delays for buses too.

Oxford does in fact have room for segregated cycle tracks on most of its radial routes (I've measured them!), but unfortunately the county council officer responsible for cycling policy is a believer in the magic properties of painting bike symbols on the main carriageway space, so it's not happening.
 

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I hear that cyclists are doing the world a favour rather a lot, but they take up a lot more road space than people on buses do.
That is not true once the space each requires to stop safely is included.
 

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What do you think of the cycle wheel ramps/gutters on stairs?
The bridge at Cambridge has gutters, and they are more trouble than they are worth. It is far easier to use the lift.

I have an electric bike: it is too heavy for me to push up a gutter, and the weight makes it difficult to control coming down.

The worst bits are the transitions from slope to level where the pedals also hit the steps.

Gutters would be a nightmare on high footbridges, such as Whittlesford Parkway and Ashwell and Morden, or narrow subways, like Baldock.

A nice long ramp, like in the Ely subway or the old Post Office bridge at Peterborough, is good.
 

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I am a cyclist, I dont often take my bike by train because the current policy by TOC is just too complicated to navigate. This is another area where GBR needs to take the lead, there should be a common cycle policy across the network with every train identified into one of 3 categories in timetables:

1. Unreserved cycle spaces, only applied to lightly used services
2. Cycle reservation required, which can always be made at point of ticket purchase, before actually paying, make a small charge. Ideally when you start your search select '1 cycle' into the section where you input number of passengers rail cards etc.
3. Cycles not carried

Looking to the future I think a decision needs to be made, are we going to continue to carry cycles, in which case adequate provision needs to be made on all trains apart from possibly peak hour metro services, or just take the decision that cycles are not carried. I realise not carrying cycles will probably start a storm of protest, but to my mind we either do it properly or stop, the current half baked solutions by TOCs are really the worst of both worlds
 

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As I proposed in another thread, I think there should be an "app for that". I'd be happy with a small charge either for the app or for each reservation, e.g. perhaps £2 to reserve and £1 back if you cancel.
 

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How do you do this? I have never taken a bike on a TPE service.
Basically, select your ticket. When you get through to the part about reserving seats, there is also a button to select a bike reservation as well.
(By the way, you can use the TPE site to book tickets on any operator in the country. In fact, I never used the site to book a TPE service - I live in a completely different part of the country.)
 

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I am highly opposed to this as the area next to the toilet is often the wheelchair space,
On what trains? Not on Electrostars because a wheelchair next to the accessible toilet would block the aisle to the next carriage so the wheelchair spaces are the other side of the doors in the centre third. I am surprised if any UK train is wide enough for accessible toilet + aisle + wheelchair.

A bike against the window opposite the accessible toilet does not blocks wheelchair access (which is mainly from the front) or the aisle, but it does take the single corner seat out of use. I am sure that was a tip-up seat on some previous train, either an Electrostar pre-refurbishment or the Network Express 365s.

Best would be some European-style "multifunctional" carriages with lots of tip-up seats so each 4 car unit can accept more bikes and wheeled passengers off-peak than are ever likely to board, with still plenty of seats or standing room for peak crushes. But it seems like no TOC is heading that way. Greater Anglia now have bigger multifunctional spaces on Flirts but at most 3 quarter-carriages in a 12-car 745/1.

nor do I wish to sit near the toilet at all,
Yes, well, as even this thread makes clear, there are many people who wish people with bikes not to sit on the train at all, so I will tolerate a bad space over no space. And I only need sit where I can see my bike, not necessarily with it. I agree with much else you say.

Why would you want to cycle on the motorway? I have cycled on the A5 dual carriageway and it was grim, wouldn't do it again. All motorways have parallel minor (or major) conventional roads.
Not all of them do and you might want to cycle to get somewhere quicker that is not served well by trains or buses. It is very useful to be able to cycle over the M5 Avonmouth bridge and it seems very strange that there is no cycleway over the M25 Dartford bridge or the A14 Ipswich bridge. I remember reading somewhere about some other small M5 bridge near Bristol which has no cycleway over it and it has taken maybe 40 years to rebuild a former railway bridge which will cut many miles off the cycling journey between two towns. While these are usually noisy and not wonderful, motorway-side cycleways can be very useful.

In days gone by, when stopping trains between Royston and Cambridge, and Fen Line trains, had to be 4 cars, cycles were banned in the morning peak. Fortunately, with 8 car trains, that's no longer necessary.
And yet unfolded bikes are still banned from the Ely-Cambridge (inclusive) section between 0745 and 0845, no?

The bridge at Cambridge has gutters, and they are more trouble than they are worth. It is far easier to use the lift.

I have an electric bike: it is too heavy for me to push up a gutter, and the weight makes it difficult to control coming down.
Cambridge's wheeling gutters have been installed on the wrong (left) side by someone who does not understand that most bikes in this country have dangling gear mechanisms. So, you must either walk on the "wrong" right-hand side and ignore the tutting, or you risk expensive damage to your bike gears.

Cambridge North is quieter so less of a problem using the wrong side but the gutters are even more incompetent, installed too close to the sides, so your right pedal strikes either the side of the bridge (if down) or the handrail brackets (if up).

In a corect installation, electric bikes should be OK with walk-assist (up) or brakes (down) to stay in control, but maybe the lift should be used if in doubt. I do prefer escalators but some station staff in London get upset if they notice me using them: have they never seen the videos of places like the Rotterdam Maastunnel? I prefer to leave the lifts free for people who need them.
 

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Not all of them do and you might want to cycle to get somewhere quicker that is not served well by trains or buses. It is very useful to be able to cycle over the M5 Avonmouth bridge and it seems very strange that there is no cycleway over the M25 Dartford bridge or the A14 Ipswich bridge. I remember reading somewhere about some other small M5 bridge near Bristol which has no cycleway over it and it has taken maybe 40 years to rebuild a former railway bridge which will cut many miles off the cycling journey between two towns. While these are usually noisy and not wonderful, motorway-side cycleways can be very useful.

Bridges I'd agree, as often there isn't a sensible "way round" (a real annoyance of bridges is that you often can't easily see from e.g. an OS map if you can walk/cycle across them). But not general motorways - the whole principle of them is that they are additional to existing roads and don't replace them, so you just cycle on the existing roads, on which the motorway has resulted in reduced traffic.

Other than bridges I can't think of a single stretch of motorway I would want to cycle along. Even the pseudomotorway A5 through MK, on which cycling is permitted, rarely sees one, because the Watling St Redway (or road, if you're a fast road cyclist) is much preferable.
 

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Bridges I'd agree, as often there isn't a sensible "way round" (a real annoyance of bridges is that you often can't easily see from e.g. an OS map if you can walk/cycle across them). But not general motorways - the whole principle of them is that they are additional to existing roads and don't replace them, so you just cycle on the existing roads, on which the motorway has resulted in reduced traffic.
Unless the existing road has been adapted for cycling, it will still be a 60/70mph horror ride, so people will not do that. It would be better to build a cycleway on the existing road instead of the motorway where possible, but the DfT and its often-renamed agencies do not normally do that either.

Once a motorway is built, it looks like the DfT agency transfers the existing road to the local councils which are still mostly run by old people with council limos who do nothing for cycling or actively discourage it. For example, Cambridgeshire seems not to be doing anything to support cycling on the bit of the A14 which has been replaced recently, preferring to keep it as a motorway-style road into the heart of Huntingdon. If even Cambridgeshire won't do it, where will?

There seem to be many motorways in the UK and elsewhere which do not appear to replace existing roads: for a central example, the M69 has no close parallel at all and the nearest A47 and B4114 are horrible fast busy roads as well as less direct but at least the A47 has cycleways long much of it now. Even most motorways with parallel roads are flatter and more direct than existing roads. Should the transport we need to encourage be given the longest and most energy-inefficient routes?

Other countries routinely convert canal towpaths and former railways to good walking and cycling routes, but UK towpaths are narrow and muddy and most former railways seem either sold off or mothballed. With so few good routes, it is important for bikes to have good access to the current railways to link up the bits that do exist.
 

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Other countries routinely convert canal towpaths and former railways to good walking and cycling routes, but UK towpaths are narrow and muddy and most former railways seem either sold off or mothballed. With so few good routes, it is important for bikes to have good access to the current railways to link up the bits that do exist.
The fact we have closed so few railway lines since the 70s does cloud this somewhat, as transport policy was much less inclsuve when the fates for those right of ways was chosen. There, I think , are a large number of converted railway cycle paths as well.
 

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I invite you to come and watch the Botley Road in Oxford on a Saturday afternoon and tell me what’s slowing the buses down: is it a) the cycle track or b) the cars making their way to the Westgate Centre. For extra points, draw a new highway layout that will increase the throughput of people. I will be interested to see your proposals.
Or is it the cyclist ignoring the cycle track and wobbling along in front of the bus?
 

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On what trains? Not on Electrostars because a wheelchair next to the accessible toilet would block the aisle to the next carriage so the wheelchair spaces are the other side of the doors in the centre third. I am surprised if any UK train is wide enough for accessible toilet + aisle + wheelchair.

A bike against the window opposite the accessible toilet does not blocks wheelchair access (which is mainly from the front) or the aisle, but it does take the single corner seat out of use. I am sure that was a tip-up seat on some previous train, either an Electrostar pre-refurbishment or the Network Express 365s.

Best would be some European-style "multifunctional" carriages with lots of tip-up seats so each 4 car unit can accept more bikes and wheeled passengers off-peak than are ever likely to board, with still plenty of seats or standing room for peak crushes. But it seems like no TOC is heading that way. Greater Anglia now have bigger multifunctional spaces on Flirts but at most 3 quarter-carriages in a 12-car 745/1.


Yes, well, as even this thread makes clear, there are many people who wish people with bikes not to sit on the train at all, so I will tolerate a bad space over no space. And I only need sit where I can see my bike, not necessarily with it. I agree with much else you say.


Not all of them do and you might want to cycle to get somewhere quicker that is not served well by trains or buses. It is very useful to be able to cycle over the M5 Avonmouth bridge and it seems very strange that there is no cycleway over the M25 Dartford bridge or the A14 Ipswich bridge. I remember reading somewhere about some other small M5 bridge near Bristol which has no cycleway over it and it has taken maybe 40 years to rebuild a former railway bridge which will cut many miles off the cycling journey between two towns. While these are usually noisy and not wonderful, motorway-side cycleways can be very useful.


And yet unfolded bikes are still banned from the Ely-Cambridge (inclusive) section between 0745 and 0845, no?


Cambridge's wheeling gutters have been installed on the wrong (left) side by someone who does not understand that most bikes in this country have dangling gear mechanisms. So, you must either walk on the "wrong" right-hand side and ignore the tutting, or you risk expensive damage to your bike gears.

Cambridge North is quieter so less of a problem using the wrong side but the gutters are even more incompetent, installed too close to the sides, so your right pedal strikes either the side of the bridge (if down) or the handrail brackets (if up).

In a corect installation, electric bikes should be OK with walk-assist (up) or brakes (down) to stay in control, but maybe the lift should be used if in doubt. I do prefer escalators but some station staff in London get upset if they notice me using them: have they never seen the videos of places like the Rotterdam Maastunnel? I prefer to leave the lifts free for people who need them.
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The PRM modified class 317s have the wheelchair space next to the toilet, as did the PRM modified class 365s. I would not use the wheelchair space for my bike, though I have seen others do so.

I agree that I want to sit where I can see my bike. This is important for making sure that I can quickly move it if it is causing an obstruction.

Many years ago I knew a Bristolian who was nicked for cycling over the Avonmouth M5 bridge. It is a very long time since I cycled on a dual carriageway and I wouldn't do it again. Getting across the slip roads is very dangerous.

Regarding Ely-Cambridge still having a bike ban in the morning peak, I'm not sure about that, but I know that the Royston ban was lifted when the stopping trains switched to class 700s.

I can see that you are also not a fan of gutters, a classic example of something designed without user consultation. But thanks for leaving the lifts for people who need them. I count myself as one of those!
 

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The PRM modified class 317s have the wheelchair space next to the toilet, as did the PRM modified class 365s. I would not use the wheelchair space for my bike, though I have seen others do so.
I have double-checked pictures and the class 365s had two single flip-up seats facing each other next to the accessible toilet. Two bikes could go there without troubling anyone if the seats were flipped up. The wheelchair space was in front of the toilet and I never used it. I do not seem to have suitable pictures of modified 317s but I still do not think a wheelchair could fit beside the toilet and still have a clear aisle.
 
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