ASLEF Ballot Results

theking · 11 Jul 2022

So a big day for ASLEF ballot results.

Drivers at multiple tocs have been balloted and the results are due to be announced today.

Affected TOCS:

Arriva Rail London:
Yes: 637 [98.9%]
No: 7 [1.1%]
Turnout: 92.5%

Chiltern Railways:
Yes: 217 [92.3%]
No: 18 [7.7%]
Turnout: 86.4%

Great Western:
Yes: 1,049 [86.1%]
No: 170 [13.9%]
Turnout: 86.3%

LNER:
Yes: 323 [88.5%]
No: 42 [11.5%]
Turnout: 89.0%

Northern Trains:
Yes: 1,562 [95.2%]
No: 78 [4.8%]
Turnout: 88.5%

Southeastern:
Yes: 741 [91.6%]
No: 68 [8.4%]
Turnout: 86.2 %

TransPennine Express:
Yes: 426 [94.2%]
No: 26 [5.8%]
Turnout: 84.8%

West Midlands Trains:
Yes: 636 [89.6%]
No: 74 [10.4%]
Turnout: 83.5%

ASLEF members at eight train companies have voted overwhelmingly for strike action in a dispute over pay.

Strikes are always the last resort,’ said Mick Whelan, general secretary of ASLEF, the train drivers’ union. ‘We don’t want to inconvenience passengers – our friends and families use public transport, too – and we don’t want to lose money by going on strike but we’ve been forced into this position by the companies driven by the government.

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mrmartin · 11 Jul 2022

theking said:
So a big day for ASLEF ballot results.

Drivers at multiple tocs have been balloted and the results are due to be announced today.

Affected TOCS:
C
Arriva Rail London:

Yes: 637 [98.9%]

No: 7 [1.1%]

Turnout: 92.5%

Chiltern Railways:

Yes: 217 [92.3%]

No: 18 [7.7%]

Turnout: 86.4%

Great Western:

Yes: 1,049 [86.1%]

No: 170 [13.9%]

Turnout: 86.3%

LNER:

Yes: 323 [88.5%]

No: 42 [11.5%]

Turnout: 89.0%

Northern Trains:

Yes: 1,562 [95.2%]

No: 78 [4.8%]

Turnout: 88.5%

Southeastern:

Yes: 741 [91.6%]

No: 68 [8.4%]

Turnout: 86.2 %

TransPennine Express:

Yes: 426 [94.2%]

No: 26 [5.8%]

Turnout: 84.8%

West Midlands Trains:

Yes: 636 [89.6%]

No: 74 [10.4%]

Turnout: 83.5%

What about the other TOCs? Did they not vote?

baz962 · 11 Jul 2022

theking said:
So a big day for ASLEF ballot results.

Drivers at multiple tocs have been balloted and the results are due to be announced today.

Affected TOCS:
C
Arriva Rail London:

Yes: 637 [98.9%]

No: 7 [1.1%]

Turnout: 92.5%

Chiltern Railways:

Yes: 217 [92.3%]

No: 18 [7.7%]

Turnout: 86.4%

Great Western:

Yes: 1,049 [86.1%]

No: 170 [13.9%]

Turnout: 86.3%

LNER:

Yes: 323 [88.5%]

No: 42 [11.5%]

Turnout: 89.0%

Northern Trains:

Yes: 1,562 [95.2%]

No: 78 [4.8%]

Turnout: 88.5%

Southeastern:

Yes: 741 [91.6%]

No: 68 [8.4%]

Turnout: 86.2 %

TransPennine Express:

Yes: 426 [94.2%]

No: 26 [5.8%]

Turnout: 84.8%

West Midlands Trains:

Yes: 636 [89.6%]

No: 74 [10.4%]

Turnout: 83.5%

I can't remember the threshold numbers. I'm guessing that is a vote for strike for all of them.

dk1 · 11 Jul 2022

The results speak volumes.

Citybreak1 · 11 Jul 2022

When will strike dates be?

dk1 · 11 Jul 2022

Citybreak1 said:
When will strike dates be?

Should usually be announced over the next few days but will need to give a fortnights notice.

Citybreak1 · 11 Jul 2022

dk1 said:
Should usually be announced over the next few days but will need to give a fortnights notice.

I go to London early august so I’m hoping it’s not that date. No doubt any alternative routes would be very busy?

Efini92 · 11 Jul 2022

mrmartin said:
What about the other TOCs? Did they not vote?

XC and Avanti don’t close until 27th July

dk1 · 11 Jul 2022

Citybreak1 said:
I go to London early august so I’m hoping it’s not that date. No doubt any alternative routes would be very busy?

I would expect them to centre around Saturdays or other special event days when travel is at its busiest. Commonwealth games travel is a possibility.

LNW-GW Joint · 11 Jul 2022

dk1 said:
The results speak volumes.

On the same day that Scotrail drivers accepted a 5% deal (some of which appears to involve changes to conditions).

dk1 · 11 Jul 2022

LNW-GW Joint said:
On the same day that Scotrail drivers accepted a 5% deal (some of which appears to involve changes to conditions).

Not too bad ones though I think & increased bonus payments if revenue targets are met. That’s unusual for drivers to have any link with revenue.

12guard4 · 11 Jul 2022

baz962 said:
I can't remember the threshold numbers. I'm guessing that is a vote for strike for all of them.

Miles clear of that threshold.

380101 · 11 Jul 2022

LNW-GW Joint said:
On the same day that Scotrail drivers accepted a 5% deal (some of which appears to involve changes to conditions).

No changes to any current conditions for ScotRail drivers in the deal.

Twotwo · 11 Jul 2022

Very surprised GTR ain't on that...

NEDdrv · 11 Jul 2022

Efini92 said:
XC and Avanti don’t close until 27th July

Expect these results to be similar to others.

Efini92 · 11 Jul 2022

NEDdrv said:
Expect these results to be similar to others.

If we ever get our ballot papers

NEDdrv · 11 Jul 2022

Efini92 said:
If we ever get our ballot papers

Abroad in the sun so don’t know if mines arrived yet but it will be a yes from me.

dk1 · 11 Jul 2022

And the BBC now reporting it’s a train drivers strike by ASLEF whilst showing footage of a conductor selling tickets. Oh dear oh dear.

High Dyke · 11 Jul 2022

dk1 said:
And the BBC now reporting it’s a train drivers strike by ASLEF whilst showing footage of a conductor selling tickets. Oh dear oh dear.

Website news story has the correct image. Too busy with the cricket on to watch the news on TV.

LNW-GW Joint · 11 Jul 2022

380101 said:
No changes to any current conditions for ScotRail drivers in the deal.

Except that some of the offer has to be funded from savings within Scotrail.

dk1 · 11 Jul 2022

High Dyke said:
Website news story has the correct image. Too busy with the cricket on to watch the news on TV.

It started well with pictures of trains, albeit dated, but the descended into this.

380101 · 11 Jul 2022

LNW-GW Joint said:
Except that some of the offer has to be funded from savings within Scotrail.

But that's not a change to terms and conditions. In reality our pay rise is being wholly funded by Transport Scotland as it is them that provide the funding to ScotRail. Just clever wording of the deal to make it look as if they are only funding 2.2% of it.

dk1 · 11 Jul 2022

380101 said:
But that's not a change to terms and conditions. In reality our pay rise is being wholly funded by Transport Scotland as it is them that provide the funding to ScotRail. Just clever wording of the deal to make it look as if they are only funding 2.2% of it.

Exactly. Wouldn’t have been accepted otherwise. Also only need to talk about Sundays in the working week with an aim to have it in place by 2027. A lot can happen in those five years so no pressure on that point either.

pemma · 11 Jul 2022

So people will no longer be able to claim that the claims about high train driver salaries (from both the media and politicians) aren't relevant. I wonder if it will take the focus away from the RMT's claim that they have low paid members who are struggling to make a living?

andystock22 · 11 Jul 2022

If most train drivers of ASLEF, I can't see many trains if any operating on strike days for these TOCs.

You can't use agency staff for train drivers!

Gorlash1886 · 11 Jul 2022

pemma said:
So people will no longer be able to claim that the claims about high train driver salaries (from both the media and politicians) aren't relevant. I wonder if it will take the focus away from the RMT's claim that they have low paid members who are struggling to make a living?

Silly comment really, with aslef it's about pay. RMT are trying to secure their job positions and pay.
Honestly the amount you posted in the other thread and you still have no clue its shocking.

Islineclear3_1 · 11 Jul 2022

So from a layman's perspective, what is the issue regarding pay for ASLEF members? What is it about the pay they are not happy about?

Nicholas Lewis · 11 Jul 2022

LNW-GW Joint said:
On the same day that Scotrail drivers accepted a 5% deal (some of which appears to involve changes to conditions).

Well maybe that's the benchmark that will get them back to the table although I wouldn't put it past Shapps to go out with a bang and provoke a summer of discontent now.

Economist · 11 Jul 2022

I personally think it'd be a good idea for ASLEF to sit on these results for a bit rather than announce strike dates straight away. It gives the new government an opportunity to negotiate in good faith, if that fails then it might be an idea to take action.

The existing government has said that there will be no policy changes, nonetheless it'd be a good idea for the unions to keep a close eye out for any attempt to change the laws around employment and industrial action.

dk1 · 11 Jul 2022

Islineclear3_1 said:
So from a layman's perspective, what is the issue regarding pay for ASLEF members? What is it about the pay they are not happy about?

Not had a pay rise since 2019 at many. During Covid it was understood but nothing this year either is unacceptable.

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