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Conservative:Labour train order comparison

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I've just worked out the following for diesel unit orders (there may be marginal errors):

Between 1979 and 1997 a total of 1555 diesel / diesel-electric carriages were ordered, which averages 86.39 per year.

Between 1997 and 2010 a total of 1298 diesel / diesel-electric carriages were ordered, which averages 99.85 per year.

I haven't got time to do the same with electric carriages but if anyone wants to work it out they're more than welcome.
 
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Interesting figures, just to check does ordered also mean delivered? So the 1555 orders were/are all in service and same with the 1298 orders?
 
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1979-97 involved increased electrification of the network as well though. So less diesel stock may have been required.

Also newer is only of benefit if increasing services. 79-97 included 2 recessions; 97 onwards has beena period of economic growth so services shoiuld be growing and requiring new stock.
 
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ainsworth74 said:
Interesting figures, just to check does ordered also mean delivered? So the 1555 orders were/are all in service and same with the 1298 orders?
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Yes I've excluded things like the prototype 151s and included units that were written off like the 142 that a HST killed in Winsford.
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djw1981 said:
1979-97 involved increased electrification of the network as well though. So less diesel stock may have been required.
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In many cases under the previous Conservative government I thought electrification schemes would have involved a lot more changing a diesel loco for an electric one opposed to a new order.
 
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There was a comparison in RAIL a few months back, basically we have nearly exactly the same amount of EMU and DMU today that we had 30 years ago, but they are running 1/3rd more hours.
 
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Any new train orders figures politicians annouce should be taken with a pinch of salt, no matter which party.

Not one figure announced has been met since privatisation.
 
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djw1981 said:
97 onwards has beena period of economic growth so services shoiuld be growing and requiring new stock.
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Don't forget we had an economic crisis in 2008 which led us in to recession in 2009 but that didn't stop the 172 and 380 orders going ahead.
 
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