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Striker

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It's terrible. In today's modern world children probably spend more time writing on forums and social media than they do in school books, so I think it's up to us to correct spelling mistakes when somebody spots one, otherwise they will just continue to make them. This general apathy and tolerance of mediocrity is sickening to be honest. :roll:
 
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You will find some on here have dyslexia probelms, as well as sight impairments, limiting the grammar etc of their work. Yes, it can be annoying, but to be fair, so long as the content is good, I don't mind the odd spelling or grammatical error.
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And why do you assume that it is just children who make these errors, some of the best posters on here (on this basis!) are younger than me!
 

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I personally have never had any trouble reading any post on this forum, also, I understand and accept that some people have trouble for one reason and another with typing and spelling (etc).

The general appearance of this forum is very good from this aspect.
 

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There is no need for the spelling or grammar to be of a poor standard. Modern technology allows spell checking to take place on posts and certain grammar mistakes can be detected. Therefore, even someone who struggles with these things can produce posts of a sound grammatical structure with accurate spellings.

However, as long as the post conveys an understandable meaning, we shouldn't be looking for pieces of literature.

I do not think we should bring in issues of schooling here - illiteracy is a problem that has plagued many generations to a certain extent. In addition to this and I am echoing comments made above, some posters may have certain conditions which make accurate posts a huge task.

Striker, in my opinion, the standard of written English on here rises far above what you might see on Facebook or another social networking website. In that respect, it's a good example to younger generations.
 
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This forum is extremely good for spelling and grammar, you only need to look at The Student Room to see that :lol:
 

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And why do you assume that it is just children who make these errors, some of the best posters on here (on this basis!) are younger than me!

I don't assume it's just children. It's just that it's not too late to correct children and teach them to spell correctly. I consider adults a lost cause.
 

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Generally spelling is okay, we all make typos, and we all have some words we struggle to spell, or mistakes we routinely make (heared is one i usually do instead of heard)

Sometimes the thing that gets me is Post presentation, Someone like yorkie will always have a well structured post, with blank lines where useful to break it up. However others (myself included) sometimes just have one long paragraph that is hard to read, meaning soem bery useful points can be overlooked (overlooking points, we could never be signallers^^)

In conclusion, we 'aint bad. Ive never seen a post I couldnt read :)
 

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I've not really seen much of a problem on this forum, certainly nothing that cannot be attributed to a simple typo.

Social networks and Instant Messaging (IM) are the main culprits as are texts although nowadays they needn't be due to generous message allowances (when I have 'unlimited' [read 3000] it's not going to matter if I send two by a single character)

If anything I'd be inclined to say that paragraphing and walls of text cause far more problems than spelling and grammar - it even gives rise to "tl;dr" (too long, didn't read)
 

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This is an internet forum for railway enthusiasts and people with a general interest in the railways/other modes of transportation as well as photography and memorobillia. It also used for people looking for fares information and other ticketing and railway related advice. If you are looking for people who share an interest in improving english standards then I would suggest you are possibly on the wrong website.

This and many other forums are designed to be an informal method of communication with other people about the various subjects that the forum is catered for. If what was being written was letters, books or other formal methods of written communication then I would be able to understand your complaint. But this is an internet forum. No one really cares about the odd badly spelt word here and there or whatever else might crop up. We are all here for the same/similar reasons. Not to try and pick holes in everyone's standard of English. So instead of picking holes do what I do. Sit back, relax and don't let it bother you.
 

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It's terrible. In today's modern world children probably spend more time writing on forums and social media than they do in school books, so I think it's up to us to correct spelling mistakes when somebody spots one, otherwise they will just continue to make them. This general apathy and tolerance of mediocrity is sickening to be honest. :roll:
y do u say tat, m8?
 

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I am lucky, in that I find spelling pretty easy, except for one or two words I forever spell wrong, such as maintenance. Is that right? I don't know!

Seeing poor grammar etc. does rankle with me a little at times, but that's not to say that I turn into the spelling Stasi and criticise, I deliberately do not do that.

The posts on this forum are, generally, polite, readable and informative, what more could one want?

When I was at school, I got caned for spelling it (possessive) it's instead of its. :oops: :lol:

There are a few word that are regularly used in the wrong context such as
were, we're, where
your, you're
there, their

and some which I never can get the hang of the difference
practise, practise
effect, affect

Could anyone explain these last ones to me?
 
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I think spelling etc. is very good. There are, however, a couple of people on here who are yet to even discover capital letters. They don't post much.
 
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Both the spelling and grammar on this forum are far superior to other forums of which I am a member. This is credit to the regular posters, the rules of the forum and the help that is given to people by the mods.
 

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and some which I never can get the hang of the difference
practise, practise
effect, affect

Could anyone explain these last ones to me?

I'll try:

The effect of pacers on NR - i.e. as a result of, something happens.

Pacers affect NR - i.e. they directly do it, a direct influence

“Practice” is the noun, “Practise” the verb.

I practise driving trains - You are doing it.

I have a train driving practice. - A session of train driving

Having said that, many people tend to ignore the last one, so I can see it fading out of language in the future.
 
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and some which I never can get the hang of the difference
practise, practise
effect, affect

Could anyone explain these last ones to me?

Practice and practise I never get either. I always end up using practice and not practise, which according to MS Works is a trait of American English:

"Do not confuse the spelling of practice and practise, which sound similar. In British English, practice is the spelling of the noun and practise is the spelling of the verb: Practice makes perfect. Practise what you preach. (Note also the spelling of words derived from the verb, as in a practising lawyer and a practised liar.) In US English, practice is the usual spelling for both noun and verb."

That would explain a lot, because I never use the verb in written language! :lol:

As for affect and effect, the former is far rarer:

"In general use, affect is only used as a verb, whereas effect is commonly used as a noun and only in formal contexts as a verb. What causes confusion is that they have very similar pronunciations and closely related meanings. If one thing affects [acts upon] another, it has an effect on it [causes it to change]. Notice also that you can affect [cause a change in] people as well as things, but you can only effect [bring about] things such as changes: The election has affected our entire society, for it has effected major changes in the government.The bad weather has a bad effect [not affect] on him."

This is one that I have long understood. There are others such as these two as well, which I am usually well-versed in, so if anyone is unsure, don't hesitate to ask! (Note also the poor grammar at the start of the last sentence; no space between full stop and capital letter...)
 

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One that has crept in fairly recently is people writing "could of" instead of "could have". Morons.
 

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OK, having been nice to you, a little less condescending please...

(btw, sorry about toff-gate earlier if I'm being hypocritical here)
 

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I think there is a difference between those who just have no grasp of spelling and grammar in all posts, to those who make occasional typos or other language errors (eg. could of / could have).

If it appears a member is about to stick around for a while I PM them and ask them to double check their posts in future or consider installing a spill chucker. If it gets too bad then people can be placed onto Moderation, but this is very uncommon.
 

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One that has crept in fairly recently is people writing "could of" instead of "could have". Morons.

I have to agree with Striker to a point here actually. I often think this when I see "could of" and the like, and it's not exactly rare either; I would even suggest that it is not a rare phenomenon. Although I don't think I'd have gone as far as to use the word "morons"...
 

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I have to agree with Striker to a point here actually. I often think this when I see "could of" and the like, and it's not exactly rare either; I would even suggest that it is not a rare phenomenon. Although I don't think I'd have gone as far as to use the word "morons"...

'Could of' instead of could have is the only thing that gets my eyebrows raised on here, but I have a feeling it could be a regional thing. I'm sure I have heard a lot of people speak in the same way in the north west.
 

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I'd like to be quite neutral on this subject - I'd like to believe that language is a fluid medium and provides us with so much evidence of its changes over time.
But . . . . I have to say, that every time I read 'their' meaning 'that place' or 'there' meaning 'belonging to some people', then my education makes me hesitate and re-read it looking for the intended meaning.
I've had a modest 'classical' education, which can be very useful at times (only today, I read some 18th century carvings which were partly in Latin, partly 'church latin' and partly the period English of the day, and they just read as a single line of text to me. I'm used to all that.) So, that's great, no?
No. The downside is, if we recognise the vast range of possible words in a variety of dialects and languages and eras, then any misspelling or typing can change a word from one meaning to another more readily. Unintentionally. That can be a very real problem.

The most persuasive factor I'm aware of is the size of our personal vocabularies - e.g. if we have a vocabulary of 10,000 words or less, then even double spelling errors may be understandable (which is how text speak can work), and if we have a vocabulary of 10,000,000 words, then even the smallest error is likely to produce another, unintended word.

(BTW. I don't recall having seen any Tweets in Latin, Sanskrit or classical Greek. Yet!)

'Morons'? Hmm, having posted the above, I must sound like some pompous, proud, conceited and self-righteous git. So, do we prefer 'morons' or 'pompous gits'? And just what difference would that make to anything that matters? Really matters?
 
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