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Fare loopholes outside GB

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radamfi

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Many of us are familiar with the fact that there are a lot of anomalies in the GB fare system, meaning that it is cheaper to buy more than one ticket instead of buying a through ticket, or it might be cheaper to buy a longer distance ticket.

Are people aware of similar anomalies outside GB?

Also, are there places where it is illegal to combine tickets, or use a longer distance ticket for a shorter journey?
 
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Yes, there are some.

In Germany, for example, I do believe that starting short and ending early on advance tickets is not against the rules. Not encouraged, but not banned, I believe. I have done it a couple of times without any problem. (And DB staff are pretty rigorous about checking tickets of new boarders, especially on ICEs). Of course, it is also easier because of barrier-free stations.

Another example is a very cheap walk-up ticket between Budapest and Salzburg (via Vienna). This is €39 for return within 4 days - and it allows break of journey (a recent enhancement). Vienna - Salzburg is the busiest long-distance flow on OeBB, no advance fares and the one-way single fare is €47.50. Problem is you can only buy the ex-BUD ticket in Hungary, so scope for saving is limited.

There is another international one I know of (completely legitimate), a bit nearer to home (I mean the UK ;)), but as with others on this forum who know of other examples, I'm not willing to divulge it because if loads of people start to take advantage of it, it certainly will be withdrawn.
 

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Another example is a very cheap walk-up ticket between Budapest and Salzburg (via Vienna). This is €39 for return within 4 days - and it allows break of journey (a recent enhancement)

Are you saying that break of journey wasn't allowed on trains in Austria or Hungary, or just on international trains on this line?

Is break of journey banned elsewhere?
 

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I know of examples in central Europe where you can buy 2 tickets (e.g. issued within certain tariff areas) which are cheaper than the through ticket. However you have to make sure that your train stops at the destinations of both tickets. You may wish to pay more for just 1 ticket use a non-stop service.
 
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Are you saying that break of journey wasn't allowed on trains in Austria or Hungary, or just on international trains on this line?

Is break of journey banned elsewhere?

Break of journey is allowed on all international full-fare tickets. But this (Budapest - Salzburg) 4-day ticket is a special fare (through the bilateral agreement between MAV and OeBB) with special rules. Initially, it didn't allow break of journey, but now it does.

Another similar ticket (recently introduced), Budapest - Prague (via Bratislava), doesn't allow break of journey.
 

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There is another international one I know of (completely legitimate), a bit nearer to home (I mean the UK ;)), but as with others on this forum who know of other examples, I'm not willing to divulge it because if loads of people start to take advantage of it, it certainly will be withdrawn.
Ooh, you tease!
PM me and I promise not to tell...

Seriously though, why mention this at all?
 

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Because people like to show off what they know but won't tell, blackfive. If you actually want to keep something secret then you just don't mention it!
 

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Munich Hauptbahnhof-Munich Airport, single ticket €9.60, however you can get a single ticket for the inner zone (€2.50) plus a day ticket for the outerzone (€5.40) total €7.90

Last year I also did Hamburg-Munich by sleeper via Regensburg, savings ticket to Regensburg followed by Bahncard50 reduced single was way cheaper than the through savings ticket.

Finally, the maximum fare (2nd class) is €129 or €64.50 with a bahncard50, once you hit this limit any further distance is free, plus you can break your journey as often as you like (within reason). I used this method in June to do Lübeck to Munich via Hamburg, Bremen & Cologne. The maximum fare applies for Cologne-Munich so I managed Lübeck-Hamburg-Bremen-Cologne for free. These are fully flexible fares, by named routes so you may have to force the booking engine to choose the right trains, the tickets are generally valid for 2 consecutive days for a single and a month for a return.
 

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Seriously though, why mention this at all?

The purpose of my post was as a hint to others who may know, that it is not wise to repeat it here in response to this topic (or on any forum, for that matter), since there is a serious risk that the fare will be withdrawn if it attracts publicity.

Indeed, following my post, I have been contacted by a forum member confirming exactly the point I was trying to make.

Because people like to show off what they know but won't tell, blackfive.

Now why am I not at all surprised to see such a negative comment coming from you?
 

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The best way to keep things hidden is just not to mention them. People who wish to show off to others that they know something others don't classically produce a post the same as yours.
 

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The best way to keep things hidden is just not to mention them. People who wish to show off to others that they know something others don't classically produce a post the same as yours.

Honestly, it's not worth throwing toys out of the pram for.

Others have made exactly the point I am making - that it's not wise to publicise everything on a forum. Good luck to them for knowing some fares "tricks" - I'm not annoyed or envious because they won't say.

The best way to get such information, as others have said, is through forum meets or similar events - at least the imparter of knowledge will have some idea about whom he is talking to. So if you want to know more, I suggest you attend one, instead of sulking and calling people names.
 

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So if you want to know more, I suggest you attend one, instead of sulking and calling people names.

Don't worry, I'm not sulking. It wouldn't affect me anyway - I don't make particularly complex or widespread journeys that often, so for my commute, I know I'm getting the cheapest possible deal. Oh, and point out where I've called someone names?
 

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There is another international one I know of (completely legitimate), a bit nearer to home (I mean the UK ;)), but as with others on this forum who know of other examples, I'm not willing to divulge it because if loads of people start to take advantage of it, it certainly will be withdrawn.
I could say the same about some rail fares, but there's no point in bringing up such a subject and making a statement to that effect unprompted. It will just annoy people (and it has!). If someone asked for a specific bit of advice and you replied along the lines of "I know one I will not divulge on the forum but will send by PM" then fair enough (and indeed I do this myself). But the way it's worded, unfortunately people will not appreciate it. I am sure you didn't intend to come across this way!
The best way to get such information, as others have said, is through forum meets or similar events - at least the imparter of knowledge will have some idea about whom he is talking to. So if you want to know more, I suggest you attend one, instead of sulking and calling people names.
Well, I agree with the first part of this paragraph. But there's no need to accuse people of "sulking", please don't do that toward another member on this forum (you can think what you like!) - besides, I see no evidence that Ralph (or anyone else) is/was "sulking".

I admit that some of us who have met in real life do discuss things that occur off the main forum, and anyone who meets us and displays both an interest in helping others, and a knowledge of ticketing, may find themselves invited to join us, and if anyone needs a particular ticket and I am reasonably sure they're genuine, I may also PM them the advice. That's all perfectly sensible and reasonable. But we have to be careful that we don't come across as saying "I've got a secret and I'm not telling" as that just annoys people, and understandably so.

It's difficult to get the right balance, and some degree of understanding is needed when looking at it from either point of view.
 

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I've just worked out an even cheaper way from Munich to the Airport (only works on S8):

€2.50 1 Zone Ticket for innenraum
€1.20 kurzstrecke from Unterföhring to Halbergmoos
€1.20 kurzstrecke from Halbergmoos to Airport

although it will be best to get off at Unterföhring & Halbergmoos to punch the ticket. So €4.90 total instead of €9.60
 

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In Ireland the three-tier distance-pricing structure (cheapest are suburban services, then single-track Intercity, then double-track Intercity) means that split ticketing at the borders of the Dublin suburban zone (Kilcoole, Balbriggan, Hazelhatch, and Maynooth) can often pay dividends. The IÉ bye-laws try to discourage it but not very effectively.
 
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