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150/0 hybrids back to 2 car units.

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Which of the class 150/0 hybrid units are now back to there original 2 car formation, and when are the 150/2 units which were acting centre cars due to transfer to Northern??
 
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Right. 150009 and 150007 are now back to two cars and numbered 150107 and 150109. These are staying with LM along with 150105. Personally, I think LM should 150103 as well for extra capacity. 150202 has been put back together and I don't know when it will move north. 150101 has moved down to FGW this week and I suppose 150102 will follow. I shall be out and about tomorrow so I'll keep a eye out and keep you updated!
 
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Noticed this list on WNXX forum - posted by D6504xeEH
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The list of projected dates into service for the "new" FGW Sprinters:

In use already - 153325, 153333, 150108 and 150126

(150101) Available for use from 12th Sep
(150102) Available for use from 19th Sep
(150122) Available for use from 26th Sep
(150124) Available for use from 3rd Oct
(150104) Available for use from 10th Oct
(150106) Available for use from 17th Oct
(150202) Late Oct
(150216) Late Oct

From 3rd October the units will replace 142's and reforming of the remaining 158's into 3 cars will take place from late November.
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So 150202 and 150216 are going to FGW. Interesting! And I was right about 102. I must get on her tomorrow.
 
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Being pedantic, the only Class 150/0 units are 150001 and 150002 - the other units are merely numbered in the 1500xx series! :P
 
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tom1649 said:
Has any decision been made on the future of 001 and 002 yet?
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The last decision was that they are unallocated and still up for grabs for anyone willing to pay for them. So that probably narrows the field down to a local authority with money to spare... :cry:

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150125 is the other unit. Its on hire back to London Midland.
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Thanks.
 
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Well, ATW Bridgend council are considering buying them and are in discussions about it. Would be good and they want longer trains. I went on 150107 (007) today as a two car and seems to have a deep clean including the windows. It was very speedy and very quiet. Perfect 007! There was an awful lot of 2 car units today. I also went on 012, and saw 003. I saw about three other 150/1 3 car units. I also saw 150002 and 150001 go by as well looking good!
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Hi there again, was anyone here photographing 150107 leaving Moor St about 16:00 because I was on her. If it is, would you mind posting it as 107 is among my favs. You had a tripod and on the Snow Hill bound platform. Thanks!
 
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No such luck matey, I was slaving away at work. Not been near a 150 for over a month now

Thanks to the gentleman above who posted the list, now I know when to expect 150216 to come down south. Hope to get it in before then though, indeed same for the reformations that I need to get in now.
 
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150001 said:
Right. 150009 and 150007 are now back to two cars and numbered 150107 and 150109. These are staying with LM along with 150105. !
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That's what I have heard.

Two units for the Bedfords - one spare

Any idea when the units will be going to Northen though?
 
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I think FGW will get its lot first which will happen around late october and then I suppose your 8 units will come up along with the 150/2s. So:

Northern

150103
150110
150111
150112
150113
150114
150115
150116
150117
150118
150119
150132
150204
150206
150210
150214
150220
150226

150366 is to return back to LM.

First Great Western
150101
150102
150104
150106
150122
150124
150125
150202
150216

Along with 150108 and 150126 already there and of course 153325 and 153333.

London Midland

150109, 150107 and 150105 as 2 cars. 107 and 109 already being made back into 2 cars. 150202 being parked up in the depot.

With:

150001
150002

150209 - only one car no toilet - Should stay in 016 and 017 maybe-but could be used in Wales on Coryton-Cardiff Central Radyr service only 40 minutes end to end Anthony263 idea
150212 - only one car no toilet - Should stay in 016 and 017 maybe-but could be used in Wales on Coryton-Cardiff Central Radyr service only 40 minutes end to end Anthony263 idea


Put 209 and 212 together as one unit to work on Coryton-Cardiff Central Radyr service only 40 minutes end to end (Anthony263 idea)

150001-03/05/07/09-19 EJSH-EJHQ
150101/02/04/06/08/22/24-26/32 EJSH-EJHQ

EJSH - means - LONDON MIDLAND ANGEL TRAIN CONTRACTS WEST MIDLANDS SNOW HILL LINES

EJHQ - means - LONDON MIDLAND PORTERBROOK/ANGEL/EVERSHOLT HEADQUARTERS

The best idea for the spare 150s at the moment would be send them to ATW. As Anthony263 describes:http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthre...=46797&page=17

So we will have to wait and see what happens to the spare units. Some PTE is bound to go in for them. I have a hope that ATW get them!!!!
 
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150001 said:
Sorry. Do you know what is happening to the spare units then?
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I definitely don't know what is happening to the DfT's declared 8 spare carriages, which consists of the two original 3 car 150/0s, and two orphaned single cars; I don't think anyone else knows about those either.

But everything else is reallocated, and we've been discussing it in the '150 reallocations' thread for about a month now, yet here you are suggesting there are still 25 spare.
 
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Right, ok. So I suppose the likes of 003 and 016 etc will be going to Northern.
 
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I assume that she is at FGW basically! Well, FGW are getting them now! Although, I really liked 102.... but i'll be going on her soon anyway!
 
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Yes, SPM is the FGW depot in Bristol where the 150/1 sets are being commissioned. Will be around a week before 102 enters service now.
 
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What would Bridgend council do with the two 150/0s? 3-car Swanline services? Since there are no other 3-car sets, they'd either have to have one out of service as a spare and just one 3-car diagram or run both but end up with a 2-car or single car unit vice 3-car whenever one needs maintenance or breaks down.

I suppose if they also take the toilet-less unit they could insert each of those carriges into two of ATW's 150/2s and have four 3-car sets. That should be able to handle Swanline alright, but the diagrams would have to be seperated from everything else (no running through to Fishguard for example). Perhaps rather than Swanline they could be used on Maesteg - Cardiff/Cheltenham workings? Would that route benifit from the addition of 4 3-car 150 sets? I guess it'd at least get 158s off the Maesteg branch, one of which would hopefully then be put on the 10:57 Cardiff - Fishguard express boat train and the 13:30 return.
 
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150001 said:
I think FGW will get its lot first which will happen around late october and then I suppose your 8 units will come up along with the 150/2s. So:

150010
150011
150012
150013
150014
150015
150018
150019

150204
150206
150210
150214
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Northern are supposed to get 36 carriages (18 x 2 cars.)

8 carriages as 156 replacement
12 carriages as 180 replacement
4 carriages as additional capacity promised initially
12 carriages as extra capacity promised later on.
 
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swt_passenger said:
I definitely don't know what is happening to the DfT's declared 8 spare carriages, which consists of the two original 3 car 150/0s, and two orphaned single cars; I don't think anyone else knows about those either.

But everything else is reallocated, and we've been discussing it in the '150 reallocations' thread for about a month now, yet here you are suggesting there are still 25 spare.
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I've just had an idea, someone please tell me if its not technically possible: I was thinking, is there anything preventing 52209 and 52212 being inserted into 150001 and 150002 to make them up to 4-car sets? This means that all vehicles will be in use, and you won't have any non-standard diagramming (most of the ATW DMU fleet is 2 car, with the exception of the 3-car 175's and 153's), so you could diagram these 4-car hybrid's in place of pairs of units, and use the 4 units freed up for extra capacity on ATW. :) This is if its true about Bridgend Council looking into purchasing the units of course. But that doesn't stop other Council's/PTE's purchasing them and doing the same for FGW or Northern if Bridgend don't buy them. I just think its a waste of 2 useable DMU coaches. :)
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That's what I have heard.

Two units for the Bedfords - one spare

Any idea when the units will be going to Northen though?
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I'd read in TR UK that there would be one Bletchley diagram (the other being a 153), one 150 diagram to Worcester, and one spare. I'm not correcting you, just saying what I'd read. It'll be interesting to see what happens. :)
 
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Different electrical wiring + internal couplings etc. on 150001/2 so unable to insert 150/2 vehicle into scud 1 or 2. 57209/212 Currently stored at Tys while
leasing company discusses options. 150116/117 now 2 cars as are 150107/109.

LM looking into possiblity of restoring some sort of maintenance facility at Bletchley to keep 150's there. Unitl then original plan is still active.
1 Bed-Bletch.
1 New St-Hfd.
1 Spare at Tys.

Reason for one on New St - Hfds is due to Worcs Drivers requiring to retain traction knowledge as they swap the Bedford set over at New st on Fri night. Bletchley driver to/from New st. Worcs driver to from Tys.
 
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newtownmgr said:
Different electrical wiring + internal couplings etc. on 150001/2 so unable to insert 150/2 vehicle into scud 1 or 2. 57209/212 Currently stored at Tys while
leasing company discusses options. 150116/117 now 2 cars as are 150107/109.

LM looking into possiblity of restoring some sort of maintenance facility at Bletchley to keep 150's there. Unitl then original plan is still active.
1 Bed-Bletch.
1 New St-Hfd.
1 Spare at Tys.

Reason for one on New St - Hfds is due to Worcs Drivers requiring to retain traction knowledge as they swap the Bedford set over at New st on Fri night. Bletchley driver to/from New st. Worcs driver to from Tys.
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How many dieagrams are there on the Hfd diagram on a daily basis?
 
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mawallace said:
How many dieagrams are there on the Hfd diagram on a daily basis?
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The off-peak pattern of services requires 4 sets, but there are some extra peak services. My guess is that the 150 would be used for the peak services.

I don't know how true this is but I heard that this will displace a 170 which would be used on Snow Hill services due to similarities with 172's. I also heard that one or two fuether 170's would be allocated to Snow Hill diagrams but have no idea where from.

I hope these retained 150's will at last get some internal refresh and a repaint into LM colours.

BTW it has always puzzled me why some of the Sunday Hereford diagrams are worked by 150's whilst 170's sit unused on Worcester depot...I'd be grateful if anyone could enlighten me!
 
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jcollins said:
Northern are supposed to get 36 carriages (18 x 2 cars.)

8 carriages as 156 replacement
12 carriages as 180 replacement
4 carriages as additional capacity promised initially
12 carriages as extra capacity promised later on.
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How about this:

8 carriages as 156 replacement
12 carriages as 180 replacement
8 carriages as additional capacity promised initially
Total 28 - previously announced - and described in that much quoted FOI request

Then
8 carriages as extra capacity just recently announced by DfT
Total now 36
 
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