EMT Set on hire to EC

DarloRich · 30 Aug 2011

Do EC have another EMT HST set on hire? There was a full EMT set in Kings Cross tonight including both power cars. It may have been on the Lincoln train. Rear power car was 43050.

Whenever i have travelled on the EMT set it has been a mixed rake of debranded EMT coaches and EC coaches.

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Jdrowlands · 30 Aug 2011

According to a gen list this is NL020 with 43044 and 43050.

Don't know anything else, though.

DarloRich · 30 Aug 2011

Jdrowlands said:
According to a gen list this is NL020 with 43044 and 43050.

Don't know anything else, though.

cheers - that is the one!

MidnightFlyer · 30 Aug 2011

I thought it was a permanent transfer?

Jdrowlands · 30 Aug 2011

MattE2010 said:
I thought it was a permanent transfer?

That was the HST which was transferred a few months back (an unbranded MML powercar, East Coast Logos on the carriages & the other powercar, and an EC buffet car). The one we're talking about here has just appeared today.

DarloRich · 30 Aug 2011

MattE2010 said:
I thought it was a permanent transfer?

no this one is a different one - this must be a short term loan to cover an injury crisis

swt_passenger · 30 Aug 2011

According to the current Rail one EMT set has been hired as cover while the earlier transferred set, now EC64, goes to Kilmarnock for a 'Mallard' refurb.

It also reckons that yet another HST set is to be hired in for 5 days in due course while a pair of 91s are being used for 'twin pantograph testing' as part of the IEP project - previously undertaken in 2009. Maybe they've mislaid the results of that trial... :roll:

Max · 30 Aug 2011

I can confirm that the set was in full EMT livery with associated paraphernalia (wifi and maps!). I travelled on it this morning between Brough and Doncaster (and was going to post about it myself until I saw this thread).

150222 · 3 Sep 2011

Well It Broke down tonight at leeds.

lincolnshire · 3 Sep 2011

My advice is get that set back from Kilmarnock and stop them making it into a Mallard set, paint the oustside by all means , but leave them nice comfy seats in place, as against all the seats on East Coast which are bloody un-comfortable. Who ever thought up them seats wants to be made to sit on them for a long journey. If travelling from Doncaster to London, I would rather go by Grand Cebtral or Hull Trains who have decent seats which are capable of been sat on without bottom discomfort even over that distance.
Bring back poper seats, even pacer seats are better than East Coast seats.

sprinterguy · 3 Sep 2011

It's all a matter of opinion and taste: I personally think East Coasts' "Mallard" seats are excellent, I usually use East Coast on journeys of an hour to an hour and a half and experience no ill effects in terms of comfort.

MCR247 · 3 Sep 2011

Wow, EMT could spare 2 HSTs

sprinterguy · 3 Sep 2011

MCR247 said:
Wow, EMT could spare 2 HSTs

If the refurbishment of the seven car Meridians has now been brought to a close (they were due to be completed by late July), then EMT have seven HST diagrams to be covered by eleven sets, so it's easy to see that they can spare a train or two.

Liam · 3 Sep 2011

Makes me wonder if EMT can spare a second HST, why are EC bothering to hire in a class 90? I mean they know a HST can keep to time, where a 90 might not.

MCR247 · 3 Sep 2011

I am also thinking, surely XC could borrow an EMT HST and use the spare voyager to strengthen other trains?

MidnightFlyer · 3 Sep 2011

MCR247 said:
I am also thinking, surely XC could borrow an EMT HST and use the spare voyager to strengthen other trains?

Come on, you know that makes too much sense for it to be taken seriously :roll:

222001 · 3 Sep 2011

MattE2010 said:
Come on, you know that makes too much sense for it to be taken seriously :roll:

EMT have 9 HST diagrams on weekdays. Since EC have pinched this latest set for a while, EMT have 9 sets for 9 diagrams... I don't think they can spare anything else!

jopsuk · 3 Sep 2011

I appreciate it wouldn;t have made everyone happy- but in some ways it is a bit of a pity that there weren't another 12-13 nine-car 222, allowing the MML HSTS to have been distributed to the ECML and GWML- with more, longer 22xs on XC.

Aictos · 3 Sep 2011

swt_passenger said:
According to the current Rail one EMT set has been hired as cover while the earlier transferred set, now EC64, goes to Kilmarnock for a 'Mallard' refurb.

I don't know about RAIL but the EMT set currently being hired in by East Coast is to cover the earlier transferred one which has both power cars out of action, I'm led to believe both engines are broken and will be MTU'ed in due course.

This was confirmed by East Coast back in June/July.

Yew · 3 Sep 2011

I think the EC branded EMT MK3 set is going around with a MML and NXEC power car (and an EC buffet (with mallard seats i guess?)

MCR247 · 3 Sep 2011

Mainline said:
EMT have 9 HST diagrams on weekdays. Since EC have pinched this latest set for a while, EMT have 9 sets for 9 diagrams... I don't think they can spare anything else!

I meant the set which they'll get back from East Coast

222001 · 4 Sep 2011

MCR247 said:
I meant the set which they'll get back from East Coast

Which they need as a spare for maintenance?

MCR247 · 4 Sep 2011

Then why hire it out?

sprinterguy · 4 Sep 2011

Mainline said:
EMT have 9 HST diagrams on weekdays. Since EC have pinched this latest set for a while, EMT have 9 sets for 9 diagrams... I don't think they can spare anything else!

According to the 125 Group diagrams page, the 9 diagrams should be down to 7 by this point, though of course this might not have happened as planned.

222001 · 4 Sep 2011

sprinterguy said:
According to the 125 Group diagrams page, the 9 diagrams should be down to 7 by this point, though of course this might not have happened as planned.

It lists 7 diagrams, and then it lists two diagrams that applied while the 7 car 222 refurbishment was being completed. It then goes on to list two diagrams that would happen after the 7 car 222 refurbishment was completed (the stage we are in now). That makes 9.

However one of these (NL089), is a diagram to cover for a 5 car 222 in refurbishment. After the 5 car refurbishment is completed in early 2012, then there will only be 8 HST diagrams.

sprinterguy · 4 Sep 2011

Mainline said:
It lists 7 diagrams, and then it lists two diagrams that applied while the 7 car 222 refurbishment was being completed. It then goes on to list two diagrams that would happen after the 7 car 222 refurbishment was completed (the stage we are in now). That makes 9.

However one of these (NL089), is a diagram to cover for a 5 car 222 in refurbishment. After the 5 car refurbishment is completed in early 2012, then there will only be 8 HST diagrams.

Oh yeah, I missed that bit at the bottom :oops:

Sorry about that, 9 diagrams it is.

Yew · 5 Sep 2011

Any news on how the mallard refurbishment is coming along? I don't suppose it'll be done by next Tuesday, (I know its unlikely)

Yew · 22 Sep 2011

Just to let everyone know, Yesterday the HST to lincoln Was an EC liveried power car, EMT East coast branded coaches, and the MML power car, any news on whats happening with it?

DarloRich · 22 Sep 2011

Mml liveried 43074 east coast branded emt liveried MKIII rake EC buffet and ec lveried 43306 at york now on 1601 to kings cross

mattby · 23 Sep 2011

it might just be me but if you watch the video carefully looks like half of the front carriage has got new seats like the ones on First great western hsts can anyone justify this
Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPyfL7tMgZs

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