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Stay safe - there are thieving idiots everywhere!

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Joe H said:
Yep - I was with you guys then I went off to get some lunch, when I got back, everyone had gone! Then I went to South Kenton footbridge then the next thing I was told you were on your way to Aylesbury....
We followed the plan (which was decided at KGX after we realised that the 442 and 377 drags were not running), and also you are required (in the forum meet guidelines) to contact the organiser but did not do so :( so it was assumed you wanted to do your own thing. sorry...
 
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He contacted me - and I did actually attempt to tell you that!
 

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Hmm - well I did mention to somebody at South Kenton that I was just off to Harrow to get lunch - then I'd rejoin. I thought the plan was to do a bit of photting there! I was only gone 15 minutes! Anyway I've done the Bubble before anyway. For all that happened, I regret not instead seeing those new shiny tanks moved from Wembley by 47703 and 47813s run up to Derby - then I would never have been in Cricklewood at that time!

Oh well, too late now :( I think in future it'd be best to grab lunch beforehand!
 
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We went to Carpenders Park, got the 67 there, and then had a 'race' to Harrow-on-the-Hill, which turned out to be a VERY tight connection to the Chiltern as we just missed the Fast Amersham train! :(
 

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yorkie said:
At least with a big group we can look after each other against dodgy people
Tottally agreeed (*Thinks back to October last year...*)
 

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yorkie said:
(or desperate grippers who make up rules in the case of Chiltern ;))

Would this be the certain person who also has an UNOFFICAL cab pass as well 'Borrowed' from Hither Green?
 

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Trouble with camera bags is that they LOOK like camera bags!

Thats very true - it is like putting a sign round your neck saying "I've got an expensive camera" and could attract attention from dodgy characters.

A mate of mine has a camera bag which looks just like a rucksack, with various pockets/padded sections in it for lenses, camera bodies etc see here for an example of one - if you want a camera bag, this is probably the best sort of thing to have so you aren't conspicuous.
 

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No Sympathy for you if you didnt report it.


right now i live in south london and i agree with 158 here

you were a stupid arse not reporting it as they have just gotten away with it , you may think whats the point but to be honest if verything though that then there would still be the pedo who lives about 20 houes down the road from me there would still be the gun point robberys at raynes park bank every weekend

its you people who dont report it that makes life worse

well done for being an idiot
 

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Should have noted their reg number, phoned old bill and said you think they had a gun.

There would have been armed police at the registered driver's door within 10 minutes.
 

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taw valley said:
158 said:
No Sympathy for you if you didnt report it.
right now i live in south london and i agree with 158 here

you were a stupid arse not reporting it as they have just gotten away with it , you may think whats the point but to be honest if verything though that then there would still be the pedo who lives about 20 houes down the road from me there would still be the gun point robberys at raynes park bank every weekend

its you people who dont report it that makes life worse

well done for being an idiot

Oh shut up you wasteman. Raynes Park is hardly Peckham... I don't live in some waste town where a single robber can terrify the vicinity single handed and the police can target and arrest them. If you want to earn sympathy from other boys then you're a pathetic sod. Respect is the name of the game... They didn't actually do anything - what am I gonna tell the police? "Three boys in a car tried to rob me"? You think they're gonna put them in prison for that? Get ****ing real. Happens every day and as far as I'm concerned they can spend their time dealing with the actual victims. You don't live in the same part of South London as I do. Raynes Park is some quiet resiential village in the outskirts. I live in a "posh" town situated between Peckham and Forest Hill, Camberwell, Herne Hill/Brixton so wherever I go there are bound to be dodgy characters about.

If I reported every **** that asked me for money then I'd end up with no time to do anything, and the police would do **** all. If you think that reporting these twats to the police will get them locked away and make everyone safe, then you're a naive kid who should only go out under the protection of your parents/family. If you don't know how to be streetwise, then you'll end up with nothing and wasting a lot of money.

Have you not heard of comebacks? Yes, I know the "tags" of most of the South London pricks who go around robbing people, but if I did report them, then how long do you think it'll take them to realise who grassed them? People get stabbed merely for sharing "tags" and nobody is actually thick enough to go and grass them to the police.

You're just lucky that your parents decided to settle in the sleepy outskirts.. You wouldn't last a day in the inner city...
 

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I was walking down Norwood with a few boys, and ONE boy try rob us. When he got to me, he says "What you got in your pouch fam?" I wasn't having it this time, so I boyed him - I opened my pouch (It's a bit thick to keep stuff in there) and took out a melted chocolate bar. I said to him "If you're hungry, I've got food, you can have it." So he went away and didn't get anything in the end. Arse.....
 

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Its the problem with London and places, try more country side line-side locations without the chavs/yobs (whatever there called!) and you will even have most passers by asking if your waiting for a special train or something and if something special is coming there likely to be other fotters if you know the best places to be. I have really given up photoing in built up areas because there nicer environments to be in...
 

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you will even have most passers by asking if your waiting for a special train or something and if something special is coming there likely to be other fotters if you know the best places to be.

All too common in Devon :p
 

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the use of swearing in this threads title offends me.
 

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I recently got a rucksack type bag very similar to that mentioned above, except that it also has a laptop compartment. To the untrained eye it looks just like any other small rucksack (I tested some of my friends on this). The one thing they're not is cheap (although I took advantage of US prices), but they're the only safe way to carry a camera with a long lens without looking really obvious.

Failing everything else, get some form of insurance (unless you can afford to get another camera without undue hardship). Most home insurance policies include items taken outside the home up to a certain value (often 500 pounds or so). If you live with your parents their policy will almost certainly cover you. If you are insured than you MUST report any crime on which you intend to make a claim to the police (regardless of if they have any hope of doing anything). Insurers will require a copy of the report that they make.

I'd rather make an insurance claim than be hospitailzed or worse.
 

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joe H may i just remind you that i go after steamers quite some distance out of and into london and i use the underground alot

if you think im some wimp that would go reporting everyone well think again but dont you think 3 guys in a car would maybe have taken up there trheats and maybe you may not have written that post to say what happened that night think yourself your alive

raynes park / wimbledon has had stabbings andhit and runs and bank robboerys many a time and this isnt a quite little villiage. think it this way im more likly to go missing then you out side my house is the A3 to the south of england think how easy it would be for me to be gone with you they have to negate traffic and **** and by then someone would have thought it strange you being gone or banging on a window

belive it or not im **** scared to walk the streets in wimbledon alone and always will be this place is just like london drugs sex and drink think your self lucky your in a posh area we have snobs on the other side of the track who look down on us

oh well your only a snob who trainspots no big deal if they come after you again becuse they know your not gonna grass them up
 

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joe H may i just remind you that i go after steamers quite some distance out of and into london and i use the underground alot

if you think im some wimp that would go reporting everyone well think again but dont you think 3 guys in a car would maybe have taken up there trheats and maybe you may not have written that post to say what happened that night think yourself your alive

raynes park / wimbledon has had stabbings andhit and runs and bank robboerys many a time and this isnt a quite little villiage. think it this way im more likly to go missing then you out side my house is the A3 to the south of england think how easy it would be for me to be gone with you they have to negate traffic and **** and by then someone would have thought it strange you being gone or banging on a window

belive it or not im **** scared to walk the streets in wimbledon alone and always will be this place is just like london drugs sex and drink think your self lucky your in a posh area we have snobs on the other side of the track who look down on us

oh well your only a snob who trainspots no big deal if they come after you again because they know your not gonna grass them up

Gentlemen, it is just this kind of childish bickering that has caused this forum to be closed down for the last couple of days! Firstly, we we are dealing with how you should react to a threat to your person or property or both. Secondly, how great is the (perceived) risk of this happening in a specified area.

You are both guilty of reducing two important considerations to a personal level, and by so doing, fail to address the REAL issues. Other members, younger than yourselves (chronologically anyway) are having to grapple with this problem daily, and in such a way that their parents continue to allow them to pursue their hobby unsupervised, if in fact supervision (or armed escorts) were available!

If you have nothing better to say than to deride the circumstances of the other (just because it may be different to your own), then best not say it at all.

I went to school in the east end of London (Whitechapel Road), and in my teens drank in pubs (like the Blind Beggar) there with some of the most notorious gangs of the time.

This did not stop some 16 year old IC3 male approach me a couple of months ago, demand a cigarette from me, and when I refused (and in broad daylight at 2 p.m. on a sunny Sunday afternoon), threatened me with a knife if I did not give him both my cigarette AND my mobile phone when I dialled 999.

He was, to say the least, surprised when I stepped towards him and threatened to rip his head off and **** down his neck! He departed rapidly, and when the police arrived, they (rightly) said my actions were confrontational. It did on this occasion work for me, but there are no guarantees. My reaction was one of anger rather than considered response.

I spent nearly an hour touring the area in the police car, but the little scroat had gone to ground.

The moral is that there is no right or wrong way to react, what I said and did could have had serious repercussions (for me or for him) had he not run off. Only the intended victim can assess this at the time.

Obviously, certain areas should and can be avoided, a group of people CAN give added security, but as in my case, the whole thing came out of the blue.

To criticise others and then get into a general slanging match is therefore totally unhelpful and counter productive.
 

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joe H may i just remind you that i go after steamers quite some distance out of and into london and i use the underground alot

if you think im some wimp that would go reporting everyone well think again but dont you think 3 guys in a car would maybe have taken up there trheats and maybe you may not have written that post to say what happened that night think yourself your alive

raynes park / wimbledon has had stabbings andhit and runs and bank robboerys many a time and this isnt a quite little villiage. think it this way im more likly to go missing then you out side my house is the A3 to the south of england think how easy it would be for me to be gone with you they have to negate traffic and **** and by then someone would have thought it strange you being gone or banging on a window

belive it or not im **** scared to walk the streets in wimbledon alone and always will be this place is just like london drugs sex and drink think your self lucky your in a posh area we have snobs on the other side of the track who look down on us

oh well your only a snob who trainspots no big deal if they come after you again becuse they know your not gonna grass them up

I'm a snob yeah? Ok, now I really think that your argument is credible :roll:.

You think you're brave because you walk solo on the streets of bloody WIMBLEDON? That's how I know you're waste. I bet you wouldn't have the balls to go photting in Cricklewood, Harlesden or Willesden in the day let alone at 8pm. Yep it was pretty daft of me but sometimes you take risks. The way you go on, if you had been in the same situation as me, you'd have lost your camera, your phone, your money and probably your self respect. Why? Because I bet you've never even been approached before. You're not exactly gonna get streetwise spending your time in Surrey and outside of London. I got out of that because

a.) I feel Someone is watching over me

b.) I've been approached several times in London before, so I know if the three of them were too daft to jump me there and then, I KNEW I could keep them talking until I figured out a way to escape.

c.) My mind knows when I'm in REAL danger, so my adrenaline is only used (wisely) when I need it. This was one of those times.

Like I said, keep thinking Wimbledon is ghetto innit. You're a proverbial cocoon, not quite broken away from safety and ventured out into the real world, have you?

I took a walk from Raynes Park to Motspur Park not long ago. I came to the conclusion that you are not more likely to come to any harm like being stabbed than in Cricklewood or Peckham which is very local to me.

Standard, I might live in a town which has a large park, a village, a series of private schools and a picture gallery, but I'm not half as naive as you. You have a total lack of street knowledge, and I'll feel sorry for you if you ever do have to travel beyond the serene confines of South West London. I really will.
 
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