The argument here and again not one I support is that Clegg went into the coalition for the good of the country and that there would be a stable government for the next five years. Clegg would have seen that sorting out the mess was more important than his own party policies.
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SS4
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Like a suicide bomber thinks he's doing good...
Schnellzug
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A Coalition involving the one party which up until 2010, was the only realistic alternative to the usual suspects? All Mr. David Cameron has done by inviting nick clegg on board (as well of course, as giving them enough seats together to get into Power) has been to destroy the credibility of the Lib Dems as an alternative. Which of course, may have been his plan all along, along the well etsablished capitalist principles of getting rid of the competion by taking them over).
What a clever graph! Accurate AND witty! (either that or trivialisingly stupid)
What that ignores is what is actually happening. In the areas in which I have any knowledge or direct contact, the legislation that is appearing is as much Libdem legislation as it is Tory, and much of the "Nasty party" free-marketism is actually being abandoned. But this is not what is getting reported , or responded to by the Labour party, because it is not in their interests, or those of the media, to see any sort of new working. In the Health bill, for instance, where every change is reported as a "defeat", a "u-turn" or "climb-down", the Ministers working on the Bill are simply assessing amendments (from whatever quarter) and, if they make sense, incorporating them. This has not happened like this for over 30 years.
passmore
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The trouble is, like with all politicians, you can only like him/judge him on what he does in power. A lot of the reasons why I voted the way I did back in the general election have not come to fruition, and are hardly ever likely to.
If you are being serious about this question, then I'think that away from the limelight, he seems like a genuine family man. It was heartbreaking the death of his son. Politically speaking, you make your own mind up about him.
I apologise - it was a wrong turn of phrase. I should have said something along the lines of economists recognised as being very good at what they do, and internationally so. People like Krugman and Rubin - different schools of thought.
SteveP29
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That will be the reforms that will allow people who work as little as 8, yes EIGHT hours a week to claim childcare costs up to 40 hours.
Yeah, that makes it really better to work than just claim benefit.
Yes, I am a Labour supporter, but to be honest, as I say in my political views on my Facebook profile, 'they're all lying, thieving b**tards'
anthony263
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I am on the fence with regards to Cameron. I have to praise him and clegg for having the courage to go into coalition together and for making the hard decisions.
With pensions, maybe it it might be a bit to hard but something has to be done same with the economy the government has to get the financies in order, which if it was not for the mess labour got us into may not have been so bad.
The health bill, I am glad the coalition decided to listen to the views and go back and make changes to the bill, so I think the press were being a bit unfare on them.
Labour are getting on my nerves a bit, considering they were planning on similar cuts and it was them and the banks also have to take some of the blame for getting the country into the mess it was in.
Yes things are bad in the economy at the present time, but people should remember it could have been a hell of a lot worse at least the uk has a plan in place even if it may require some modifications.
With pensions, maybe it it might be a bit to hard but something has to be done same with the economy the government has to get the financies in order, which if it was not for the mess labour got us into may not have been so bad.
The health bill, I am glad the coalition decided to listen to the views and go back and make changes to the bill, so I think the press were being a bit unfare on them.
Labour are getting on my nerves a bit, considering they were planning on similar cuts and it was them and the banks also have to take some of the blame for getting the country into the mess it was in.
Yes things are bad in the economy at the present time, but people should remember it could have been a hell of a lot worse at least the uk has a plan in place even if it may require some modifications.
Reminds me of the old cliche: put two economists in a room and you get at least three fiercely held opinions.
I was told before the election, vote for the party you don't want running the Country in 5 years....simply because labour overspent so badly, the next government would be hated so much for the cuts they'd have no hope of keeping power in 5 years, and little hope of regaining in future after that!
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So the current cuts are due to Labour then? Nothing at all to do with the bankers or the fact that Labour had to spend due to the mess the Tories left in 1997?
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I agree with some things he does however somethings he does I don't agree with...especially when it comes to consider raiding my future pension!
Read the first 3 words "i was told" that means it is something I've been told, not my own thoughts so personally I'm not putting the blame anywhere.
I know nothing about politics, I voted for the party with the best policies for me. But the person who told me the previous statement clearly was in the know, as the Tories have created such a mess they ain't gonna be reelected next time round!
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Sorry, I had actually edited the wording before you posted that.
It could be argued that the "bankers" situation was allowed to happen by negligent regulation by the Government (strongly debatable). But it is generally accepted that the financial mismanagement of the country became the disaster it is when Labour abandoned the Conservative spending plans it had maintained when it first came to power. There was, in fact, in the financial situation no "mess the Tories left in 1997".
But the Tories left a mess by cutting back in the 18 years they had power. Yes the books may have balanced at the time but don't forget how this was done. Labour should have taxed more though.
As if the Tories (the party of the free market) would have regulated the banks.
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Up till 2008 the deficit was running at under 3% - not ideal but not a disaster either. We should IMO have been running a surplus - but Spain did run a surplus - and this hasn't done them much good.
Anyway I have a lot of respect for Cameron for the way he modernised the Tory party and made it electable. Of course he's finding being PM is not an easy job. Funny how, like being England manager, everyone seems to think they could do a better job than the man actually doing it.
Anyway I have a lot of respect for Cameron for the way he modernised the Tory party and made it electable. Of course he's finding being PM is not an easy job. Funny how, like being England manager, everyone seems to think they could do a better job than the man actually doing it.
SS4
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Turns out their funds....*puts on sunglasses* .... were frozen
YEEEEEEEEEEAHHHHHHHH!
I'll get my coat
Schnellzug
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I do, though, despite my remarks about the political system, manage to have a little bit of sympathy for Mr. David Cameron. Take all this fuss that Councils are perpetually making about Budget crisis due to government Spending cuts; whereas i saw a thing in the Paper that our county council near us actually had an increase in the amount that it was getting, just that that increase wasn't as much as they wanted. So it does seem to me that everyone expects the Government to provide them with everything, and is very keen to blame the Government for everything, so really the Government can't win either way, and it was New Labour that gave the Banks billions because the Banks were holding them to ransom, wasn't it, so you can hardly blame the Cameron for that. Can you, though, blame Labour? What else could they have done? Perhaps it's the Financial Industry that's the one to blame in the end; which make it all the more ironic that the one thing that the Conservative Coalition are worried about is keeping the Financial Industry afloat, because the Economy depends on it. Maybe that's the real problem, not Mr. David Cameron; it's the Banks.
Capitalist parasites!
Capitalist parasites!
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That made me crease up. Use this for effect around friends and family:
http://mirrors.rit.edu/instantCSI/
Zoe - we all know Cameron wouldn't have regulated the banks. It suits politicians to allow reckless lending because that artificially postpones recession. It's my opinion that Labour gambled that the recession would come after it was out of power, only it didn't. And now they've ended up carrying the can. Just like the Tories will if we drop back into recession despite that being more to do with the woes of the European economy than anything our Government has done. Such is life.
What gets me though is why bankers are getting the whole of the blame. When will the left get it?! It takes two to tango, and part of the reason why we are currently FUBARed is that we as a nation of ordinary people borrowed beyond our means. Yes, it's an uncomfortable truth, but the sooner *everyone* including the Labour Party and their supporters get that, then the sooner some sanity will return. The lesson we need to learn is that you cannot build growth on credit alone because the whole pack of cards will tumble down one day.....
What gets me though is why bankers are getting the whole of the blame. When will the left get it?! It takes two to tango, and part of the reason why we are currently FUBARed is that we as a nation of ordinary people borrowed beyond our means. Yes, it's an uncomfortable truth, but the sooner *everyone* including the Labour Party and their supporters get that, then the sooner some sanity will return. The lesson we need to learn is that you cannot build growth on credit alone because the whole pack of cards will tumble down one day.....
Minilad
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SS4, as a punishment for such a bad pun, I have arranged for you to go to dinner with the MP for the Witney constituency. I'm sure, judging by this thread, that the two of you will get on splendidly!
Well they do have a mutual love of the Villa !!
Allegedly in Dave's case
anthony263
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I think you have hiit the nail on the head, I think the public need to wake up a bit.
Another problems i think is that people dont really know how to budget properly this I think has helped lead to people borrowing and not being able to manage their finances.
Luckily my father made sure me my brother etc knew how to and I think that has helped us keep out finances in order and not have to borrow money.
I can personally see this country's economy plodding along with some but very low growth for some time although i dont think we will go into recession.
The media isnt exactly helping improve the mood of people in this country either.
I'm not a fan of David Cameron, although saying that he's the least worst person to run the country out of what was on offer at the election.
Ed Miliband would have not been able to pass through some contentious bills as he lacks charisma and public support. Nick Clegg had some good points but I'd like us not to be too close to Europe and I think that's where he'd have lead us towards.
I think many politicians can be careerist, especially those who are from safe seats. However it is our fault that we provide safe seats, as constituents. Back to David Cameron, he just exudes smarm and is out of touch with the needs of average working people.
If his party splashed some cash up north and helped us become like London in terms of infrastructure and would fulfil promises, my opinion of the Conservatives would alter.
Ed Miliband would have not been able to pass through some contentious bills as he lacks charisma and public support. Nick Clegg had some good points but I'd like us not to be too close to Europe and I think that's where he'd have lead us towards.
I think many politicians can be careerist, especially those who are from safe seats. However it is our fault that we provide safe seats, as constituents. Back to David Cameron, he just exudes smarm and is out of touch with the needs of average working people.
If his party splashed some cash up north and helped us become like London in terms of infrastructure and would fulfil promises, my opinion of the Conservatives would alter.
Barton Keyes
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He's a slick public relations man and smug with it, but that seems to be the way to succeed in UK politics. I blame Tony Blair.
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I will never vote Tory who ever is in charge since Thatcher buggered up the country. They privitised/Sold anything they could even Cameron wanted to try and privitise Royal Mail and put National parks in private hands. They took the Great out of Great Britain most of our industries gone abroad. Cameron is as thick as two short planks for example he was disappointed at the rise in unemployment what the hell did he think was going to happen with all these redundancies in the public sector and if that mcnoughlty report goes through then there will be a lot more.Nick Clegg is not that bright either. He promised no changes to student fees if they got in only to go with the tories and going back on his word.Why does that make him not very bright you may ask.Well for one all those students he screwed over are future voters his party have probably lost. Gordon Brown was usless selling of britains gold reserve at rock bottom prices. So at the end of the day it doesn't really matter who is in charge they are all as bad as one another.
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