driver9000
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The Northern trio are going back to Old Oak Common. Entering service along with the stored 2 for FGW on peak workings is still the accepted plan as far as I'm aware.
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I think you mean expected not accepted.
Isn't there only one in store at present as GC have taken on an extra one for now and subleased one of theirs to Hull Trains?
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Er... are you suggesting that the 5 x 5 car 180s will have some sort of impact on whether or not FGW use IEPs?
Or did you just accidentally paste a completely irrelevant topic into this thread?
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Oh Sh***. Why do we always seemed to get lumbered with all the worst trains ? First they pinched the 158's off the Liverpool - Manchester Airport and Liverpool - Blackpool services, to send them to Yorkshire, and now it looks like many of our 156's are to be taken elsewhere.
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Ahhh No and No
I dont know... I was on a west midlands liveried 150 last week and apart from the 1980's interior decor, it had very comfy seats, was surprisingly quiet engine-wise and quick of the mark from station stops. A very nice train to travel on really for a suburban unit.
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Correct there is one in store but we now have 180102 to cover while our other 180's go to Brush one at a time for an overhaul and modifications.
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At least you'll be getting (four coach?) EMUs on those lines in a few years time (rather than two coach DMUs)
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Do I need to point out the blindingly ovious that Liverpool is getting longer services with more seats yet somone is moaning about this?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd rather have an 8 car pacer or 6 car 150 over a 3 car 185 to commute on!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd rather have an 8 car pacer or 6 car 150 over a 3 car 185 to commute on!
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I need to get to Manchester on Friday morning, am I right in thinking the 1149 from Preston to Victoria won't be a 180?
Correct.
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Agreed - and a doubled up 142 (which will be the norm on a few services) is obviously more seats than a two car Sprinter
156s are also used on the Manchester Oxford Rd to Lime Street services, which won't be changing to EMUs anytime soon.
Ill agree with you there, Northerns 150's are much quieter than EMT's 156's
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The musical trains game continues.
180103 is in service on the Victoria diagram and expected to remain on it.
I give this in good faith as I had previously.
180103 is in service on the Victoria diagram and expected to remain on it.
I give this in good faith as I had previously.
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Other way round. 180103 is at Victoria now having arrived with the 15:20 from Blackpool North and will work the 17:19 back to Blackpool. It was 180106 that was sent up to Newton Heath.
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I was responding to Bevan Price's quote about the Liverpool - Manchester Airport and Liverpool - Blackpool services having had their 158s taken away from them. Both will obviously get EMUs in a few years time, so there is some light at the end of the tunnel.
I travelled on 180s a couple of times when we had them down here on some Padd-TM turns and found them comfortable and smooth. A bit different when I had a ride on 180103 in the Summer from Bolton to Vic. The air con was a bit vicious in the ex first class that I took advantage of and the ride was not as smooth as I remembered. The seat was nice and comfy though, and the legroom as generous as someone my height needs (6'2").
The matter of reliability is always an issue when you operate very small fleets of anything. Moving all the 180s to one franchise would probably see a great improvement, but that just isn't going to happen is it? I don't remember there being mass cancellation of 180 operated services when they ran down my way, just 5 car vice 10 car occasionally.
The matter of reliability is always an issue when you operate very small fleets of anything. Moving all the 180s to one franchise would probably see a great improvement, but that just isn't going to happen is it? I don't remember there being mass cancellation of 180 operated services when they ran down my way, just 5 car vice 10 car occasionally.
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The 0755 Bolton - Hazel Grove is usually operated by a 180, however not today. I'm not up on my trains, so I'm not sure what it was that turned up in its place. However, despite being doubled up it was insufficient for the number of people wanting to board, and some were left on the platform. The 180's may have a few faults, but they are certainly a better commute into work than anything else that Northern use on the Preston to Manchester line.
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Are the 5 spare Class 180's still moving back to FGW at the timetable in May next year?
Given FGW haven't agreed to a lease for them, at the moment they aren't going anywhere except away from Northern and in to storage. However, FGW are the most likely to take on the 180s if they can agree a lease.
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Everyone to their own opinion. I don't mind 150's for short trips, but 142's -yuk, especially when they turn up on Liverpool - Blackpool or Manchester Airport services.
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Where are they going then ??
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Don't think there's been a 180 operating that service all this week either so far.
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The last remaining 180 is booked to stay on the Victoria diagram until 2 December. The Hazel Grove diagram is booked for 2x150s.
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2x150s are woefully inadequate on the service by the time it gets to Lostock on the morning peak to Hazel Grove. More issues this week with overcrowding.
Monday - lady fainted and had to get off the train at Deansgate after being crushed as the station staff were ramming them on the train Japanese style at Salford Crescent.
Tuesday - passenger scuffle started up as we left Bolton as the carriage was rammed again and a few people were arguing over not having any room and standing on each others toes. It actually did lead to a bit of potty mouth shouting. :roll:
Wednesday - bliss. Only a normal busy service.
Luckily I wasn't on it yesterday or today. I think from next week I'll move my journey back for 30 minutes and get the Victoria service.
And someone at DfT once thought the LO 150s are supposed to go to Northern to replace the 180s but instead let's send them to FGW and send the FGW 142s back to Northern as 180 replacement. Northern and GMPTE both said the 142s would not be adequate replacements so they were allowed to keep the 180s for longer and FGW were allowed to keep the 142s for longer, meaning they could return their other hired units first.
Hopefully the Hazel Grove 180 diagram gets switched to 156+150 when some of the Lime Street 156 diagrams are replaced by 2x142 and 142+150 diagrams.
Like I've said in other threads the 319s won't be able to cope with the peak time services on the Bolton corridor. Either platform lengthening will be required to allow 8 car operation or alternative EMUs will have to be sourced that can run in 6 car formation or longer formations but with SDO.
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