Eagle
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The Indy is the only 7-day national paper at the moment. (Well, other than the Morning Star.)
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The Indy is the only 7-day national paper at the moment. (Well, other than the Morning Star.)
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Butts
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I thought The Telegraph was as well (or all but in name )
Eagle
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Nope, it has a different editorial staff on Sunday (same goes for the Mail, the Express, the Mirror and the Star). Whereas the Indy is under Blackhurst's staff 7/7.
Butts
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Take it the I is also produced by Indie staff as it is mainly a condensed version of the Indie.
Wonder if it will roll out on Sunday as well.
I get the Indie and since they removed The Opinion Pull Out or whatever it was called in the last rehash it has gone down hill.
Also the size (dimensions) of the paper keeps shrinking - especially noticeable on the supplements on Saturday.
The IOS has always been cruddy - they have held the price at £1/£1.60and £1.80 for the different days and not followed The Guardian/ Observer up in price. They will lose sales if they do.
Finally where has Brian Viner gone - he only contributes the odd article now?
Yeah, I hear The Times/Sunday Times aren't making much money, so that's probably true.I take it you are aware that The Times / Sunday Times only exists on the back of the profits made by The Sun
The cost of the Sunday papers means that if you're like most people and working through a list of things to cut to save money, I'd put the paper as one of them.
You may want to keep your iPhone and Sky Sports etc, but most of the news in a paper can be found elsewhere (and the Sunday papers are printed so early that most news will be old news). If you want the comment and features, they're probably online or so derivative that you will end up getting bored of reading the same regurgitated stuff over and over anyway!
You may want to keep your iPhone and Sky Sports etc, but most of the news in a paper can be found elsewhere (and the Sunday papers are printed so early that most news will be old news). If you want the comment and features, they're probably online or so derivative that you will end up getting bored of reading the same regurgitated stuff over and over anyway!
table38
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In my clubbing days, I used to buy the
Butts
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In theory your supposition is correct however.....
Reading a newspaper is something of a cathartic experience for me at least in the same way I would rather read a book than a kindle.
For the younger generation I can understand the appeal of online news and e-books but fogeys like me are more traditional :roll:
TBH I never used to read a newspaper, except for buying Today (remember that?) for a while when I was a kid. But I came across The Times app, which comes with a free trial, so I downloaded it. The Sunday one you can purchase individual issues, which I did at first. I liked both so I subscribed. I did it through the website so I get access to both apps, plus membership of Times+; where as if you do it through iTunes, you pay more and get less (only access to one app and no Times+).
Peter Mugridge
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By "house style" I take it you mean the way they instruct the staff to write as if their readership is a certain age? Can't remember exactly if it's 8 or 11 years old though; I think it's 8 isn't it?
Ivo
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This data may be of interest. It compares the typical reading age at which many newspapers across the globe are written (but not necessarily the level requried to read them). The three national British newspapers that are shown are The Times, The Sun and the Daily Mirror.
No prizes for guessing which of the three comes out on top!
(Look for the section entitled "Today's publications".)
No prizes for guessing which of the three comes out on top!
(Look for the section entitled "Today's publications".)
Considering I edited a print magazine (okay, and the website too - but primarily print), I still like to read something on real paper. However, the Kindle has made it as close to reading a real book as you can get, thanks to the eInk displays.
So far no other tablet (like the iPad or any of the Android models) can match the Kindle for that, until we get colour screens that can play video, and switch to the eInk mode for text without a backlight (and the extended battery life).
My mum (in her 60s) reads loads of books and she's a Kindle convert. I've got one, but don't use it much since I stopped commuting but that's basically because I no longer read much at all.. unless it's online. I do wish that wasn't the case!
SS4
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I suspect that is due to Apple demanding a 30% cut.
Peter Mugridge
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Ivo, interesting report but what is "grade level" in English?
Interesting that the RD is so low down the list; I'm sure in the 70s and 80s it was written for a much higher level, Wonder if that one differs in level between the many countries it is published in as well?
Interesting that the RD is so low down the list; I'm sure in the 70s and 80s it was written for a much higher level, Wonder if that one differs in level between the many countries it is published in as well?
Eagle
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It's basically the school year system in the US. The US system is one number lower than the English/Welsh system e.g. 8th grade is Year 9, or two lower than the NI system (the Scottish year system confuses me slightly, but I think it's one-and-a-half on average so 5th grade corresponds to midway between P6 and P7, and 8th grade is S2 and S3).
Peter Mugridge
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Gawd.... why don't we just go back to saying 1st form through to lower and upper 6th form at secondary level and 1st to 4th year each at primary and middle schools? Much easier to understand...
Indeed. Although I'd guess the fact you have to subscribe to each app individually is down to how such things work on iTunes.
That's the way it worked when I was at school. If someone says a child is in, for eg, year 8 now that means nothing to me.
SS4
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First Form sounds like something out of Enid Blyton to me but it's by no means a bad idea, would certainly make life easier. Start in First Form and end with Dole Form
This data may be of interest. It compares the typical reading age at which many newspapers across the globe are written (but not necessarily the level requried to read them). The three national British newspapers that are shown are The Times, The Sun and the Daily Mirror.
No prizes for guessing which of the three comes out on top!
(Look for the section entitled "Today's publications".)
Whilst I see that page was dated 2011 its figures are slightly out I think and thus lead me not to trust it that much and its an american publication so when and how did they do the study?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/table/2011/dec/09/abcs-national-newspapers
And does it actually matter whether the news it written is easy to understand or do those publications - which look mainly scientific - that are at a higher level deemed a better publication because of it?
Eagle
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Because the modern way every year gets a unique number up to 13 (or 14 in NI). That's easier to understand, because it's unambiguous.
It's like the difference between the 12- and 24-hour clocks.
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Means they started school 8 years ago. Their age must therefore be 5 + 8 = 13. Simple.
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Peter Mugridge
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Our daughter started school at 4 in year R ( Reception )...
Eagle
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Yeah, that's the one wrinkle in the system, that it starts counting from 0 rather than 1 (but at least it means that someone in year n has been in school for n years, and therefore has their (n + 5)th birthday that year).
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Ivo
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So did anyone actually bother top buy this tosh?
Butts
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Yes I bought it along with my normal IOS.
One for the news and one for the scandal
At 50p it's a steal - usual tabloid trash but quite readable and on a par with its contemporaries.
Temple Meads
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I lament the days when the two good Sunday newspapers were the Sunday Times and the Observer.
They always had some very well informed and high quality articles and exposees.
Sadly the "freedom" from obvious Political pressure has now long gone and you can only be certain that any story will be written with a biaised political slant.
It has actually gotten to the point that I pretty much ignore the UK media and instead rely on the Washington Post and the New York Times for a more unbiased view. I also find the Commentator website refreshing.
That said of all the daily papers I would prefer the Daily Telegraph for the least unbiased reading.
They always had some very well informed and high quality articles and exposees.
Sadly the "freedom" from obvious Political pressure has now long gone and you can only be certain that any story will be written with a biaised political slant.
It has actually gotten to the point that I pretty much ignore the UK media and instead rely on the Washington Post and the New York Times for a more unbiased view. I also find the Commentator website refreshing.
That said of all the daily papers I would prefer the Daily Telegraph for the least unbiased reading.
table38
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I did (along with my regular ████ ██ █████) for curiosity, but it was disappointing; just a clone of an any-other-day-of-the-week Sun, perhaps not suprisingly as it was produced by the regular team who apparently had to come in on Saturday to do it.
As I don't buy the Sun anyway, I doubt I will buy another, but I will probably encounter the occasional copy whilst awaiting my tea at the local chippy.
My secondary school, a state funded grammar school, was one of the very rare examples that is still using the old numbering system in the 21st Century. It had the First Form to the Upper Sixth.
It was confusing when visitors came in and asked us what year we were in or you were telling someone from outside school..."4th year...errr...year 10"!
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Got my copy today of the first super soaraway Sunday currant bun. Without needing to give Murdoch my 50p. Local shop let me have one for free, manager saying the wholesaler won't notice the -1 discrepancy on his unsold returns!
Not read it, no plans to either. Just going into the same poly pocket as the final NoTW. Something to bequeath....
Not read it, no plans to either. Just going into the same poly pocket as the final NoTW. Something to bequeath....
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