"Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says study." - Daily Mail.

Eagle · 26 Feb 2012

Old Timer said:
What have they got to do with the NF and the EDL ???

Nothing germane. I was amending my post to reference dictatorships after you corrected me as to what you were talking about (my bad, by the way).

Fascism is highly ideological. Now whether or not it's left-wing or right-wing is debatable, but there are certainly large far-right elements present, which are developed and disseminated through ideology (and by extension propaganda). Your point that "right-wing dictatorships are less ideological than left-wing ones" doesn't really hold much water.

And your point that "there were both left- and right-wing dictatorships. There aren't any other forms." is obviously false, being as left/right isn't the be-all and end-all of political ideology. Libya under Gaddafi wasn't particularly right or left, as it happens. (Okay, it had 'socialist' in its name, but it wasn't particularly socialist in the Western, left-wing meaning of the word.)

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Old Timer · 26 Feb 2012

Schnellzug said:
Well, the former two organisations see the the aforementioned fascist dictatorships as role models, surely. After all, they did make the trains run on time ...

I dont have a clue as I do not subscribe to extremist views nor do I follow any of those groups. I would have to take your comment on face value.

By the way it is a fallacy that Mussolini made the trains run on time !

http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp

Ivo · 26 Feb 2012

Whose idea was it to start a poll?

Whatever happens, the answer is NO.

Eagle · 26 Feb 2012

Ivo said:
Whose idea was it to start a poll?

And whose idea was it to flip the question? :P

I agree, it's a stupid thing to put as a poll. (And anyone who votes "yes" is asking for trouble... :roll

Old Timer · 26 Feb 2012

Eagle said:
Nothing germane. I was amending my post to reference dictatorships after you corrected me as to what you were talking about (my bad, by the way).

Fascism is highly ideological. Now whether or not it's left-wing or right-wing is debatable, but there are certainly large far-right elements present, which are developed and disseminated through ideology (and by extension propaganda). Your point that "right-wing dictatorships are less ideological than left-wing ones" doesn't really hold much water.

And your point that "there were both left- and right-wing dictatorships. There aren't any other forms." is obviously false, being as left/right isn't the be-all and end-all of political ideology. Libya under Gaddafi wasn't particularly right or left, as it happens. (Okay, it had 'socialist' in its name, but it wasn't particularly socialist in the Western, left-wing meaning of the word.)

Gadaffi was more of a personal fiefdom dressed up in Political clothes.

There is a debate still ongoing that suggests Fascism is neither left nor ring wing focussed but takes on the extremist views of each wing.

If you look at the Wickipedia article on Fascism, it pretty much describes exactly how Russia was run and indeed how China was run under Chairman Mao.

It is a fact however that all dictatorships will be ascribed towards a particular wing, especialy as the Dictator will normally but not always access power through the Political process in the first stage.

Lampshade · 26 Feb 2012

The Nazi Party was supposedly right-wing, despite their name translating as National Socialist German Worker's Party :?

Ivo · 26 Feb 2012

Eagle said:
And anyone who votes "yes" is asking for trouble... :roll:

Apparently some of the Labourites on this forum don't believe it is asking for trouble - certainly no more than this very statement is.

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If this research was British, one would assume it was commissioned by Labour.

Eagle · 26 Feb 2012

Old Timer said:
It is a fact however that all dictatorships will be ascribed towards a particular wing, especialy as the Dictator will normally but not always access power through the Political process in the first stage.

That is of course assuming that every political process ever is divided into a left and a right wing, which is clearly bollocks (as you've just admitted, the distinction between left and right doesn't always apply or even make sense).

I do agree that all dictatorships start to look the same no matter which political direction they started from.
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Ivo said:
If this research was British, one would assume it was commissioned by Labour.

Cynical much? Political parties don't often tend to fund scientific studies. Anyway, if you'd read the article you'd see in the first paragraph the study was Canadian :P And a little digging indicates that the Canadian Labour party had no part in its funding.

Lampshade · 26 Feb 2012

Eagle said:
Cynical much? Political parties don't often tend to fund scientific studies.

(By the way, I'm a part-time Labourite :P)

Two words, ~~Global Warming~~ Climate Change.

Ivo · 26 Feb 2012

Eagle said:
Cynical much? Political parties don't often tend to fund scientific studies.

They would if bribery was involved

(Not suggesting this in relation to this study of course!)

Eagle said:
(By the way, I'm a part-time Labourite :P)

Remind me to buy a red tie and then burn it next time I see you.

Eagle · 26 Feb 2012

Lampshade said:
Two words, ~~Global Warming~~ Climate Change.

Oh, trust me, I've read quite a lot of papers on climate change. Very few are funded by a political party. (In fact few are funded by Government full stop.)
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Ivo said:
Remind me to buy a red tie and then burn it next time I see you.

I'll just get my yellow one out then (I vacillate between the two, I'm a left-of-centre liberalist).

ainsworth74 · 26 Feb 2012

Lampshade said:
The Nazi Party was supposedly right-wing, despite their name translating as National Socialist German Worker's Party

Indeed! And in their early days they were distinctly anti-capitalist and anti-big business. They moderated those feelings somewhat later in order to bring the big industrialists on side but even then they were not particularly free market minded.

bnm · 26 Feb 2012

I started the poll. Happy to say so. This is only an internet forum and not any important law or policy making body so the results are not binding on anyone or anything.

And after staring said poll, two immediate thread responses gave their answer to the question in their posts.

My answer to the question? It's a secret ballot. :lol:

Ivo said:
Apparently some of the Labourites on this forum don't believe it is asking for trouble - certainly no more than this very statement is.

Confused. What sort of harm can an inconsequential poll do?

If this research was British, one would assume it was commissioned by Labour.

You know what they say about assumption....

Eagle · 26 Feb 2012

bnm said:
You know what they say about assumption....

You look like an ass and the ump will shun you? Anyway, we've established it was a Canadian study with no party-political funding.

pmgarvey · 26 Feb 2012

Old Timer said:
Their management of the economy though is not, being more Social democrat than Labour.

Right-wing parties have a long tradition in northern countries. In the past few years, under the collective label of right-wing populism, theyve also made an increasing rise on the political scene. The Sweden Democrats made it into the countrys parliament in 2010. The Norwegian Progress Party has, since 2009, been the second strongest in that countrys parliament. Nearly 20% of Finnish voters gave their votes to the True Finns just a few months ago. And the Danish Peoples Party has been exercising considerable influence on government policies for the past 10 years.

Of course, there are differences among the groups. The Sweden Democrats have their roots in the Neo-Nazi scene, while in Norway and Denmark the right-wing parties began with platforms for lowering taxes. The True Finns were originally a provincial movement that today is mainly identified by its opposition to the European Union.

I will dig the details out for you.

Found them. Here it is.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...8Q6wEwAw#v=onepage&q=stalin biography&f=false

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Thanks I'll take a look

Old Timer · 26 Feb 2012

Eagle said:
And whose idea was it to flip the question? :P

I agree, it's a stupid thing to put as a poll. (And anyone who votes "yes" is asking for trouble... :roll

I would post two links and make two comment.

Here is a link to the Commentator which points out the failings in the "study" http://www.thecommentator.com/article/885/loony_left_another_seven_days_of_left_wing_madness

This is supported by http://www.libertarianview.co.uk/cu...al-inferiority-of-those-with-right-wing-views

Dr. William M. Briggs, Adjunct Professor of Statistical Science at Cornell University described Monbiot’s “study” as, “A contender for the worst use of statistics in an original paper ever”.

In my experience there are two truisms. The first is that the views attributed to Right Wingers can be regulalrly heard in pubs in working class areeas where no-one would ever vote for any right wing party.

The other is that the greatest probability is that the beautiful woman walking towards you will be a Conservative, one only has to look at the normal Left biased female to appreciate that point :lol:

Eagle · 26 Feb 2012

Old Timer said:
A contender for the worst use of statistics in an original paper ever.

And that I agree with.

Old Timer said:
The other is that the greatest probability is that the beautiful woman walking towards you will be a Conservative, one only has to look at the normal Left biased female to appreciate that point.

The males, however, are a different story. Tennant and Izzard in Labour's general election campaign videos? Fitties.

Ivo · 26 Feb 2012

Eagle said:
The males, however, are a different story. Tennant and Izzard in Labour's general election campaign videos? Fitties.

Well, at least with you we can consider opinions on both genders to be genuine

Eagle · 26 Feb 2012

Ivo said:
Well, at least with you we can consider opinions on both genders to be genuine

I can think of several attractive left-wing females, but all of them are my personal friends... no famous faces come to mind immediately. :lol:

bnm · 26 Feb 2012

Eagle said:
You look like an ass and the ump will shun you?

I was thinking more along the lines of, 'Assumption is the mother of all mistakes' - The Hon. Eugene Fordsworthe.

Or if you prefer 'Assumption is the mother of all **** ups' - Travis Dane, Under Seige 2.

Schnellzug · 26 Feb 2012

bnm said:
I was thinking more along the lines of, 'Assumption is the mother of all mistakes' - The Hon. Eugene Fordsworthe.

Or if you prefer 'Assumption is the mother of all **** ups' - Travis Dane, Under Seige 2.

If you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. ~ David Brent.

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