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    [Trivia] Journeys With The Same Operator, Exact Same Route But Different Number

    Are there any/many examples of individual journeys operated by the same overall company with the exact same routes and exact same stops... BUT with a different route number? There are a number of routes that have a common section with other routes, there are a number of routes with "part"...
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    Trivia: "InterCity" Services That Don't/ Didn't Stop At Any Intermediate Cities

    Following on from this thread (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/weakest-link-on-the-intercity-network.229388/page-4#post-5582993) - are/were there many "InterCity" services that didn't stop at any intermediate cities (i.e. ignoring the original and final stations)? For the purposes of...
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    Replacement Bus Services

    These days, if a line is closed we sometimes see services diverted and sometimes we see replacement bus services - a lot of the time the existence of such buses is blamed on "privatisation" I know that they didn't start post privatisation (although they seemed to become more high profile, maybe...
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    Orbital Links That Are Missing Or Too Infrequent

    Many places have seen their "outer circles" trimmed back/ cut into multiple services, so that more and more journeys would mean having to go into the city centre and back out again The "Strathclyde" thread started a discussion about the (apparent) need for orbital links, providing a grid-like...
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    [Trivia] Worst Bus Map

    What is the worst bus map (at the moment, historically)? It's all subjective, of course, but I'd consider things like: Too many colours Not enough colours, so it's confusing which "red" line is which Too many lines Too schematic, so no relation to reality Insufficient information to work out...
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    Trivia: Services run under contract (but NOT National Express/ CityLink/ PTEs/ Councils/ Schools/ Worker Services etc)

    The recent announcement that Falcon (the Plymouth - Bristol Airport service started by Stagecoach a couple of years ago) is part of the services that will transfer to ComfortDelGro caught me by surprise - both in terms of it being part of the sale (I'd seen no rumours before hand that it was...
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    West Coastway (Havant A Clue How To Improve It?)

    How would you like to organise West Coastway services, given the flat junctions/ competing demands between a variety of places/ fixed number of paths into London etc? For all of the discussions about minor rural lines (and reconnecting tiny villages etc), we don't discuss busy routes like the...
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    What was the shortest electric loco hauled service?

    What was the shortest (by distance or time) loco hauled electric service? I remember ScotRail running 90s on the Edinburgh - North Berwick route for a short period - there was a Doncaster - Leeds working to get GNER trains back from Edinburgh to Neville Hill - but were there any shorter...
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    Poppywatch 2021

    Which bus operators have already got poppies on their vehicles, which bus operators are going to have special "poppy" livery vehicles, which bus operators don't have any poppies on their vehicles? I ask because I noticed that Stagecoach's Supertrams have poppies on them (25 October 2021), but I...
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    Noisy Minorities (Rail User Groups/ Elected Representatives Who Punch Above Their Weight)

    On the Manchester Recovery Taskforce thread (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/manchester-recovery-taskforce-timetable-consultation.213089/) @Ianno87 has made the point that the Wimbledon Loop is the London equivalent of the "vocal" Southport - Manchester campaigners (for those unaware of the...
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    Longest (historic) Tram/ Light Rail services and Shortest (current) Tram/ Light Rail services - anything excluding London Underground

    At the moment I guess the longest service in the UK is South Shields to St James on the Tyne'n'Wear Metro (running, as it does, via Whitley Bay) - if you discount the Metro as being "heavy rail" then the longest is maybe Rochdale - East DIdsbury on Metrolink? But how do these compare to...
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    Operators That Were Bought And Essentially Closed Down (Without Selling On To Another Operator)

    In the thread about bad purchases (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/worst-purchase-takeover-acquisition.222409/), there's been mention of operators that were taken over and effectively closed with no trace "shortly after" - e.g. Stagecoach in Somerset or this... Definitions are a little...
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    Worst Purchase/ Takeover/ Acquisition

    Since deregulation there have been a number of takeovers as First/ Stagecoach/ Go-Ahead/ Arriva etc grew - some of which were straight from the Government sell-off, some of which were independent companies, some of which were mergers, but the companies grew and grew. But what were the worst...
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    How Long After A Line Closes Until We Can Give Up On It / It's Treated As A "New" Alignment

    From this month's "let's re-open the Okehampton - Tavistock" thread: Okehampton - Tavistock is a line that closed in 1968; I'd argue that a line that closed over fifty years ago is no longer an "existing alignment", and therefore should be treated as a "new" one (IMHO Okehampton - Tavistock...
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    People You Wish You Weren't On The Same Side Of An Argument As You

    In a lot of debates, there's someone on "your" side who's so terrible that you wish there wasn't - they present such a bad impression of what "your" side are like that you wish they weren't For example, whilst I'd be in favour of a number of "pro-animal" things, I find PETA ("People For The...
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    Northern Irish Buses Since 1986

    We're having another debate about de-regulation/ privatisation of buses in Great Britain on the Forum. It's made me realise - I don't know how Northern Irish buses have fared over a similar period (to use as a benchmark) I've been over a couple of times in the past and am aware of some of the...
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    When Will It All Go Wrong For The Tories/ Johnson

    We've had threads "burying" Labour and the LibDems, but when will the Conservative demise be? Which of the icebergs over the horizon will be the one to sink PM Johnson? They've just lost two by-elections in a row where they were favourites to win - the huge attention paid to Hartlepool meant we...
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    Options For Additional Stock That Weren't Taken Up

    These days it's not uncommon for an order for new trains to be announced as something like "one hundred new Class XYZs with an option for a further twenty five" - given the problems with 185s/ Voyagers etc (which the railway ordered insufficient of, but the production line closed and it would...
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    Trivia: Route With The Most Brands

    From the GNE thread (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gonorth-east.205340/page-9), where we were talking about the 2 from Sunderland to Washington: ...which begs the question, which route/corridor has had the most different brands (since deregulation)? Branding must be applied externally...
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    Bus Routes Lost/ Changed Due To Light Rail

    What routes/ links were lost due to the introduction of the Edinburgh trams, Tyne & Wear Metro, Manchester Metrolink, Sheffield Supertram, Nottingham Express Transit, Midland Metro and Croydon Tramlink? In the case of Sheffield Supertram... Middlewood - City - there used to be a five minute...

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