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Lets hope colas see the light and take up the option on the other 10. So DB is def gonna do anothet 5. Is that set in stone?

Its expensive but not nearly as expensive as letting millions of pounds rot when others could use them.

It just seems so wrong that lines of them are rotting away while companies are short of traction.

Please forgive. The 66/5 slipped my mind.

The 180's look to me like cyclist helmets.

With DB losing so much work, a new build is very unlikely. It may well end up the 2nd 66 to be scrapped. It looks pretty bashed up.

Having spoken to a DB driver, he seems to think that the 1st scrappings could well start this year. It is a shame but many have been o.o.u for years now. The 66's are fine but some of the traffic that they are expected to haul are simply beyond their abilities. A point that was witnessed last...

Its had the life stripped out of it. Its unlikely ever to work again. Its little more than a shell now.

I have travelled many miles in both and the Adelante is by far the better. The only gripe with the 180's is the brake scream that is to be heard. Other than that its prob the best modern unit. Popeyes all the way.

Some are already here. I managed a few pics of them on the way to selhurst.

Do the "Tugs" have a place on today's railways? I think they should be fully reinstated. Massively powerful and given the right treatment could be around for years to come.