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  1. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    I can't help but feel partly responsible for you misunderstanding what is going on. It stems from post 2725, when I was quoting Arctic Troll I accidentally left an extra sentence in the quote box (I've gone back and edited it out now) This has obviously contributed to you getting the wrong...
  2. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    Look at the text I was responding to. Your question about mandates is irrelevant. I understand why you think it's important. I'm not convinced that status quo bias is intrinsically "important" though. You guys are determined to torture this Britain is a business analogy to death, aren't you?
  3. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    A business wouldn't let it's employees choose who the CEO is. Maybe we should abolish General Elections?
  4. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    So when you said "The French have made it clear they won't tolerate juxtaposed borders if we're not in the EU" what you meant is "Many French people -but not the French government- want to abolish juxtaposed controls regardless of whether or not we are in the EU"? A distinction without a...
  5. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    Nice try. I'm not backpedalling. I've said over and over again that Arctic Troll's claim is bullpoop, and that remains my position. Arctic Troll's claim is bullpoop. He claims the French have made it clear that they will not tolerate juxtaposed borders if we leave the EU. It is a claim he...
  6. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    Does this mean that the money that would otherwise have gone to the EU in contributions can be shared among Leave voters? :lol: 51.89% of the voters chose to leave, so your conditions have been met.
  7. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    That is not the same thing as saying "The French have made it clear they won't tolerate juxtaposed borders if we're not in the EU.", is it? A spokesman for the French government has said “On the question of immigration, to be clear, British exit from the European Union will not lead to changes...
  8. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    Your article did not contradict mine. Just because the President of some no-mark region in northern France says that he wants to abolish juxtaposed borders does not mean he is talking on behalf of the French government. A spokesman for the French government has said “On the question of...
  9. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    Why did you post that irrelevant link? The president of the region around Calais has called for juxtaposed borders (Le Touquet agreement) to end, and a contender in next years elections has said he would like to see the Calais jungle moved to the UK. How do you conclude from that that "The...
  10. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    We could go round and round until the end of time. I think that in a democracy we should have a debate and then a popular vote. I believe that the government should listen to the majority of voters rather than patronisingly dismissing them as being brainwashed morons who don't know what they...
  11. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    Well I never. A remainer spouting absolute bull****? That never happens.
  12. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    Hahaha. No. Leave does have a majority: The majority of voters. That's a very important majority which should not be dismissed out of hand. You are trying to argue that every non-voter should be viewed as a de facto remain voter. In fact the opposite is true. In the referendum: 17,410,742...
  13. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    Any evidence for that claim, or are we just supposed to take your word for it? To try to move the goalposts now and to require a supermajority to leave the EU would be unfair, undemocratic and authoritarian. The State should not rig the rules to achieve the result it wants. If you're...
  14. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    Nope. You don't get to decide that 100% of non-voters want to remain. Sorry.
  15. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    I would suggest that if the non-voters didn't want to change the status quo, they should have voted "remain".
  16. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    How many is many? All we know from the referendum is that more people voted to leave than voted to stay.
  17. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    I was pointing out that remain most certainly do not have a majority, and asking why they should therefore be awarded the "win". Your skills of interpretation are truly unmatched.
  18. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    There are only two conclusions to this particular problem: the UK will either leave the EU as a result of the democratic referendum, or it will remain a member of the EU in spite of it.
  19. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    So you're saying democracy should be suspended until we have what you deem to be a "responsible media"? That doesn't sound like a very pro-democracy position to me.
  20. Gutfright

    EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

    There most certainly was not a majority in favour of remaining in the EU. Why not just decide that votes for Remain count double? That's just as fair as saying "Leave needs an arbitrarily high number of votes, say 70%, otherwise Remain wins". It is impossible for even the most ardent...

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