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Moderator note split from: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/southern-class-313-twilight.231486/ Airline style seats should be the way forward.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the 387s have never been badged specially as Southern, they were borrowed from GEX for a few months. I think you may mean 377/6/7 which look identical to their 387 counterparts.

I'm completely with you on this. Can't get my head round the fact there are some people out there that don't like them yet they'll happily admit to liking the soulless, uncomfortable and dull 700s.

Do you have any idea?

Very odd to see a 377/4 coupled with a 377/6, just shows how much better the /4s are in comparison.

You think. I can now happily turn up at a southern station and know I'm never going to get on a 455 ever again.

Absolutely no way are Southern's 455s are better both for comfort and general ride are better than the SWR's 455s. They are a miles apart including the seating arrangement. I'm more upset about the demise of SWRs 455s than I'll ever will the Southern ones.

Personallt , 1651963938 My point being, seeing as the Shenfield branch isn't part of the partial opening, that sign is deceiving, it states you can get a train to Heathrow or Reading from Stratford making out it's a direct service with no changes. Not only that, its sign states 'Elizabeth Line'...

Based on the partial opening of the line, which as we know, at this stage is only between Abbey Wood and Paddington, not including the section from Shenfield under the tunnel at Stratford, how come these signs are already up at Stratford?

Much appreciated, thank you.

What services do they remain please?

Love that last comment. Brilliant. I really miss that sound of the slam doors, the scenes of busy commenter trains pulling into platforms and the doors flying open whilst the train is still moving. Those days. Now we just have the crud’s of soulless, characterless 700s. 1634929204 :D:D:D

Agreed x1000. Well said. 1634919672 I’m finding myself agreeing with you again and the exact same thing about ‘loud fans’ was going through my mind. Of course the response “can tell you’re not a driver” but not yet had anyone able to answer a reasonable question.

So I’m on the 9:13 service to Newbury this morning. it’s a Class 387 GWR service with Southern interior and C2C route maps. Love it.

I see. Thanks for the explanation.

Why is this the case? Can’t Southern just train their own employees to work this route?

Never in a million years will this happen. As if it wasn’t already unlikely, it’s even moreso now as TfL are skint. Zero chance.

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Having not been on the GEML which seems like an age, it’s looking now like the 321’s (non-renatus) are becoming more and more sparse :frown: and I’ve seen at least 3 coupled renatus’s.

Barely any different to the 3+2 seating on the 377s to be honest and they’ve been around for 20 odd years.