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If they did run the Norwich to/from Matlock it would be disastrous performance wise. Matlock to Derby has historically always run well with any extension causing major problems. They did try it one year to Birmingham - half the time delays were so great it never got past Ambergate or even...

I think that was the (original) idea of starting the Liverpool service at Sheffield, because of the capacity - as you say Plat 4 can only accommodate 4 cars. Plat 5 might just fit them in.

Just thought I'd post a log of this date. Fascinating insight into trains of years gone by. Take a note of the train lengths! Nick

I'm currently doing some work logging ALL class 45/46 movements and have the 1979/80 timetable to hand. The 0805 Liverpool - Newcastle went through to Edinburgh on summer Saturdays arr 1357. It came back @ 1525 arr Liverpool 2116. I think this train did the same for a few years prior and later...

185's have SDO so the shorter platforms aren't a problem. What I cannot understand is why they couldn't use 2x 3 car 185's and continue past Nottingham, splitting at Ely - 1 set onto Norwich, the other onto Cambridge/Stansted Airport. This way all parties will be happy - a through service still...

Lincoln will be the big winner - they sign to Cleethorpes and will probably learn Barton on Humber. They also sign Lincoln - Donny. Nottingham crews don't. More cost if they have to Learn them. Admittedly we could take some of Lincoln's current Leicester services and we do sign Lincoln to...

There was also a Manchester Yarmouth and return 1E34/1M74 with loco change at Sheffield ( early 70's) then Lincoln from 76/77. In 1977 the Derby and Walsall locos returned on the same trains as they were retimed, but we're changed back the following year. Nick

No one has mentioned the 80 odd Traincrew redundancies (approx 40 Drivers 40 Conductors) when the Nottm - Liverpool part goes. I don't think they will 'walk over' to Northern or TPE either. Northern Traincrew already go to Nottm and TPE Traincrew only need to Route learn Sheffield to...